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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:29 pm 
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So far in the Shclockverse, all civilizations have died when they reach a certain point.

I am suspecting that the Pa'anuri have something to do with this, because it looks like when Annie plants become ubiquitous they appear and start shooting without bothering to ask questions. They trigger wars by using long guns, and soon the entire galaxy is in flames.

The Ancient Oafans discovered that and went into hiding inside the Can-in-the-sky were no annie plant was allowed and eventually they went the route of the Allstar and digitized everybody.

The builders of the Allstar probably discovered this too and choose digital life as well.

Petey has probably deducted that the best way to kill this cycle is to stop using annie plants at least while the Pa'anuri are a threat. But that means that the age of easy and inexpensive energy is coming to an end and that will probably create galactic disruption and quite a few wars. Will the other polities follow Petey's lead and start ditching annie plants in order to keep their cities safe?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:32 am 
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Zeus67 wrote:
Petey has probably deducted that the best way to kill this cycle is to stop using annie plants at least while the Pa'anuri are a threat. But that means that the age of easy and inexpensive energy is coming to an end and that will probably create galactic disruption and quite a few wars. Will the other polities follow Petey's lead and start ditching annie plants in order to keep their cities safe?


The surviving polities will follow Petey's lead. Let's hope Earth is one of them.


It's like this; so far the Pa'anuri have been targeting Petey with their annie-targeting long-gun shots since they've clearly identified him as their main opponent in their war against all baryonic life. The question is what will they do when Petey effectively disappears from their gravity scopes? Quite likely they'll start targeting every other annie plant they can find in the Milky Way - every polity using such plants will find themselves facing instant fiery death at random. Petey will likely share his solution to the problem, and since no-one in the Schlockiverse has figured out how to block long-gun shots, polities across the Milky Way will face a stark choice; give up annie plant power systems or be exterminated.

Some polities won't switch to alternate power sources in time, some will refuse to switch for cultural/political/whatever reasons, others will postpone switching in the hope some other solution can be found. These polities will likely be exterminated by long-gun fire. Hiding all other emissions won't work this time, since its a unique emission of their power sources being targeted. Good luck trying to hide gravity....

Another nasty possibility; when the long-gun fire from the Pa'anuri starts randomly walking across the galaxy, attacked polities think they're being targeted by rivals or enemies, build their own long guns, and fire on those enemies. So begins the next Long-Gun War of Civilizational Extinction.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:39 pm 
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Problem: the PTUs of the Oafan ships and the World Forge are needed to support the now immortal galactic civilizations in order to produce annie plants to produce energy. If fusion plants were energetically a viable option this might not be an issue worth warring over.

Also, the Oafans had avoided DME extermination long enough to advance beyond current levels of tech and powerplant size and they also warred with the DMEs (and possibly civs before them, Oisri is older than the can full of sky IIRC)

Current civs going retrograde to hide is too obvious, it is effectively what the Oafan and All Star did before. I think what Petey did is a stop gap measure.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:15 pm 
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Remember, the Essperin don't use Annie Plants, and they have a reasonably large, thriving, and long-term civilization.

And it appears that the Teraport doesn't technically require annie plants.

The only remaining question is... does the Long Gun technically require annie plants in order to work? I'm guessing that it does, but it's hypothetically possible that you MIGHT be able to build a very small one using only fusion power, and maybe a black hole or two.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:18 am 
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Wasn't there also something about Teraports also causing DMEs severe pain?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:29 am 
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FreeFlier wrote:
Wasn't there also something about Teraports also causing DMEs severe pain?

Doesn't help much when the shooters are in another galaxy. If Petey could hit the DMEs from his places in Andromeda he would have already.

Mind you, I'm not sure why Petey hasn't just shot out the ANDROMEDAN core generator to give himself a pretty big power boost.



Incidentally, there's something off about gravity being detected. Isn't gravity still limited by lightspeed? Either gravity is instantaneous, or there's got to be spotters somewhere for the DMEs, since ships in motion have been targeted.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:04 am 
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Reaver225 wrote:
FreeFlier wrote:
Wasn't there also something about Teraports also causing DMEs severe pain?

Doesn't help much when the shooters are in another galaxy. If Petey could hit the DMEs from his places in Andromeda he would have already.

Mind you, I'm not sure why Petey hasn't just shot out the ANDROMEDAN core generator to give himself a pretty big power boost.



Incidentally, there's something off about gravity being detected. Isn't gravity still limited by lightspeed? Either gravity is instantaneous, or there's got to be spotters somewhere for the DMEs, since ships in motion have been targeted.


That was mentioned as a question nobody has the answer to, yet.

Also, considering the fact they can only hit Annie plants, that gives planets a very, very large amount of wiggle room. If you flood the Galaxy with them, that's the same as painting targets *everywhere*. Millions, *billions* of decoys. The best thing he can do right now, is have the Gatekeepers replicopy as many Annie plants as they can and start teraporting them out into the Galaxy.

As for shooting out the core generator, I'm pretty sure that's not possible. Even if you can kill one of the harnessing stations, which is an extremely large ask in the first place, the core is still there.


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macnut wrote:
Good luck trying to hide gravity....

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A trick of the ancient Oafans, which even Petey has yet to duplicate. Hence him getting rid of his/turning off his annie plants.

He may figure it out in time, but the Pa'anuri are targeting him right now, requiring immediate action on his part.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:47 pm 
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Petey hasn't STOPPED using annie's, he just moved them farther from the city.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:02 pm 
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macnut wrote:
A trick of the ancient Oafans, which even Petey has yet to duplicate. Hence him getting rid of his/turning off his annie plants.

He may figure it out in time, but the Pa'anuri are targeting him right now, requiring immediate action on his part.

Do we know that Oisri was built by the Oafans? Or, indeed, that it was built by their contemporaries?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:03 am 
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stonefish wrote:
macnut wrote:
Good luck trying to hide gravity....

https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2012-03-11

Note that Oisri's gravitational masking only worked within 3.31 million kilometers of itself. Beyond that, it appeared as its actual mass. Unless the Pa'anuri have to be right on top of a gravity field to see it, Oisri's masking is useless.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:48 am 
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tryingtobewitty wrote:
stonefish wrote:
macnut wrote:
Good luck trying to hide gravity....

https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2012-03-11

Note that Oisri's gravitational masking only worked within 3.31 million kilometers of itself. Beyond that, it appeared as its actual mass. Unless the Pa'anuri have to be right on top of a gravity field to see it, Oisri's masking is useless.


Useless as masking, NOT useless if you can't natively wander around under sixteen gravities. When it's mass reasserted itself, their suits ran out of power *quick*.


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