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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:21 pm 
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Assuming the UNS even knows what's going on in Andromeda, their thought might be more along the lines of "if Petey can hold them off using the tools at his disposal, we'd really prefer that they be tools at our disposal instead, and if that means temporarily dealing with whatever's happening in Andromeda, so be it."


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:05 pm 
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I rather doubt the UNS cares what's going on in Andromeda. It's not their problem (in their eyes). They just want to control every source of power in this galaxy.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:36 am 
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lnthomp wrote:
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I guess Emm and her people either don't believe the Pa'anuri exist at all, and were just a pretext for Petey to suborn UNS fleet assets, or they don't believe the Pa'anuri are a serious threat (or at least a more serious threat than the Fleetmind).

Either belief is short-sighted. Yep, I also agree with Xinchub in that strip.

Makes one wonder what the UNS thinks destroyed the Tunguska, if that's the case. They have thoroughly debriefed survivors [edit] and all of the Toughs memories of that event [/edit]. If they are willing to think the Pa'anuri are non-existent or a non-threat, they must somehow believe the Tunguska was destroyed by some unknown natural phenomenon rather than an un-seeable enemy.

That assumes that they've thought that far ahead. It looks to me like they're not thinking any farther ahead than "big gun good - want more big guns." The only other possibility that I can think of is that there's another major threatening party that we haven't been introduced to yet, and that's what caused so much damage to that UNS fleet during the "kerfuffle" at the rim, and the UNS has become desperate for more firepower to deal with this new threat.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:11 am 
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richv wrote:

The power output is directly proportional to either the volume, mass, or the surface area of the neutronium core. That means it's either an X² or X³ function, which makes it an exponential function. I believe it's a cubic function myself. If so, the fact that it's a thousand times as big as anything the UNS can safely build means it's 1,000,000,000 times as powerful as anything they can build. Presumably, the biggest and most powerful (and, according to Howard), the most finely controlled annie plants are on battleplates, Oisri is far more powerful than 1,000,000,000 battleplates. That's because Howard has stated that A bunch of annie plants don't add up to the same as one big annie plant of the same power. This makes sense, since the light-speed delays would tend to cause the various gravity fields to interfere destructively. Hypernet nodes wouldn't help, because they are subject to interference from gravitic fields.

Howard, could you please ask a Kevyn or a Gav? I'm sure one of them can spare the God of the Schlockiverse some time. :P



Technically, we don't actually know that power is directly proportional to any of those. We just know an exponential curve is involved.

My point was, Captain Gasca might have meant that there is a 'normal' exponential relationship for power, like radius squared or radius cubed, correlating to surface area or volume

Or, there might be additional factors we don't know about, and the exponential relationship might be even better: what if it's actually r^4 or even r^6?

If the power relationship were higher than r^3, large power plants would be INCREDIBLY impressive, because their power could not be matched by multiple alternate plants of a total equal volume.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:23 pm 
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Krennson wrote:
richv wrote:

The power output is directly proportional to either the volume, mass, or the surface area of the neutronium core. That means it's either an X² or X³ function, which makes it an exponential function. I believe it's a cubic function myself. If so, the fact that it's a thousand times as big as anything the UNS can safely build means it's 1,000,000,000 times as powerful as anything they can build. Presumably, the biggest and most powerful (and, according to Howard), the most finely controlled annie plants are on battleplates, Oisri is far more powerful than 1,000,000,000 battleplates. That's because Howard has stated that A bunch of annie plants don't add up to the same as one big annie plant of the same power. This makes sense, since the light-speed delays would tend to cause the various gravity fields to interfere destructively. Hypernet nodes wouldn't help, because they are subject to interference from gravitic fields.

Howard, could you please ask a Kevyn or a Gav? I'm sure one of them can spare the God of the Schlockiverse some time. :P


Technically, we don't actually know that power is directly proportional to any of those. We just know an exponential curve is involved.

My point was, Captain Gasca might have meant that there is a 'normal' exponential relationship for power, like radius squared or radius cubed, correlating to surface area or volume

Or, there might be additional factors we don't know about, and the exponential relationship might be even better: what if it's actually r^4 or even r^6?

If the power relationship were higher than r^3, large power plants would be INCREDIBLY impressive, because their power could not be matched by multiple alternate plants of a total equal volume.


Sorry, but in comp sci I was taught that an exponential function is (N ^ x).


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:30 pm 
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Do these strips help estimate the curve?
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2004-06-18
and
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2004-08-12

I suspect it is likely that Kevyn is talking about near-field raw power for acceleration and defense shielding purposes, and ignoring things such as range and precision.
If you're always saving one of the main annies for defense, and only using one for gravy gunning, then having the only large one for gravy gunning while using the cluster for defense seems reasonable to me to call "fully functional"
They surely planned on installing at least a few more plants into the cluster since Athens was still in drydock at the time, but the caviar'ed Q-tip shape does have limits.


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eternalsquire wrote:
Krennson wrote:
richv wrote:

The power output is directly proportional to either the volume, mass, or the surface area of the neutronium core. That means it's either an X² or X³ function, which makes it an exponential function. I believe it's a cubic function myself. If so, the fact that it's a thousand times as big as anything the UNS can safely build means it's 1,000,000,000 times as powerful as anything they can build. Presumably, the biggest and most powerful (and, according to Howard), the most finely controlled annie plants are on battleplates, Oisri is far more powerful than 1,000,000,000 battleplates. That's because Howard has stated that A bunch of annie plants don't add up to the same as one big annie plant of the same power. This makes sense, since the light-speed delays would tend to cause the various gravity fields to interfere destructively. Hypernet nodes wouldn't help, because they are subject to interference from gravitic fields.

Howard, could you please ask a Kevyn or a Gav? I'm sure one of them can spare the God of the Schlockiverse some time. :P


In my hard mathematics classes, I learned that functions of the form:
y = kx^n and y = e^nx are both exponential functions.

Technically, we don't actually know that power is directly proportional to any of those. We just know an exponential curve is involved.

My point was, Captain Gasca might have meant that there is a 'normal' exponential relationship for power, like radius squared or radius cubed, correlating to surface area or volume

Or, there might be additional factors we don't know about, and the exponential relationship might be even better: what if it's actually r^4 or even r^6?

If the power relationship were higher than r^3, large power plants would be INCREDIBLY impressive, because their power could not be matched by multiple alternate plants of a total equal volume.


Sorry, but in comp sci I was taught that an exponential function is (N ^ x).

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:33 pm 
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eternalsquire wrote:
Krennson wrote:
richv wrote:

The power output is directly proportional to either the volume, mass, or the surface area of the neutronium core. That means it's either an X² or X³ function, which makes it an exponential function. I believe it's a cubic function myself. If so, the fact that it's a thousand times as big as anything the UNS can safely build means it's 1,000,000,000 times as powerful as anything they can build. Presumably, the biggest and most powerful (and, according to Howard), the most finely controlled annie plants are on battleplates, Oisri is far more powerful than 1,000,000,000 battleplates. That's because Howard has stated that A bunch of annie plants don't add up to the same as one big annie plant of the same power. This makes sense, since the light-speed delays would tend to cause the various gravity fields to interfere destructively. Hypernet nodes wouldn't help, because they are subject to interference from gravitic fields.

Howard, could you please ask a Kevyn or a Gav? I'm sure one of them can spare the God of the Schlockiverse some time. :P


Technically, we don't actually know that power is directly proportional to any of those. We just know an exponential curve is involved.

My point was, Captain Gasca might have meant that there is a 'normal' exponential relationship for power, like radius squared or radius cubed, correlating to surface area or volume

Or, there might be additional factors we don't know about, and the exponential relationship might be even better: what if it's actually r^4 or even r^6?

If the power relationship were higher than r^3, large power plants would be INCREDIBLY impressive, because their power could not be matched by multiple alternate plants of a total equal volume.


Sorry, but in comp sci I was taught that an exponential function is (N ^ x).

Speaking as a mathemetician, this is semi-correct.

An exponential function is of the form A*C^x where x is the independent variable and C>0. Alternately, any such function can be rewritten as either one of
A*e^Bx or e^(D+Bx) where e is the base of the natural log and x is the independent variable.

Functions of the form e^f(x) where f is a function of x are also sometimes called exponential, but they really aren't.

Functions of the form Ax^N are POLYNOMIALS, we have a perfectly good word for these functions and don't ever call them exponential.

r^3 is not an exponential function, it is a function with an exponent, but it can equally well be written as r*r*r which doesn't have an exponent, and whether or not a function is exponential shouldn't depend on how you write it, that's a polynomial, not an exponential function.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:12 pm 
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Doug Lampert wrote:
eternalsquire wrote:
Krennson wrote:
Technically, we don't actually know that power is directly proportional to any of those. We just know an exponential curve is involved.

My point was, Captain Gasca might have meant that there is a 'normal' exponential relationship for power, like radius squared or radius cubed, correlating to surface area or volume

Or, there might be additional factors we don't know about, and the exponential relationship might be even better: what if it's actually r^4 or even r^6?

If the power relationship were higher than r^3, large power plants would be INCREDIBLY impressive, because their power could not be matched by multiple alternate plants of a total equal volume.


Sorry, but in comp sci I was taught that an exponential function is (N ^ x).

Speaking as a mathemetician, this is semi-correct.

An exponential function is of the form A*C^x where x is the independent variable and C>0. Alternately, any such function can be rewritten as either one of
A*e^Bx or e^(D+Bx) where e is the base of the natural log and x is the independent variable.

Functions of the form e^f(x) where f is a function of x are also sometimes called exponential, but they really aren't.

Functions of the form Ax^N are POLYNOMIALS, we have a perfectly good word for these functions and don't ever call them exponential.

r^3 is not an exponential function, it is a function with an exponent, but it can equally well be written as r*r*r which doesn't have an exponent, and whether or not a function is exponential shouldn't depend on how you write it, that's a polynomial, not an exponential function.


Speaking as an engineer, how can we weaponise this information? And i'm only being partially facetious :P , I don't use calculus half as much as I use physics at work, and that is mostly algebraic stuff. I have not so fond memories of learning how to do Fourier Transforms and for what? I only ever see them in novels(rarely) and more often when an old classmate calls me to ask if I still have the textbooks or if I can look over some equations -__-

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