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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:08 am 
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Interesting . . . the amoral sociopath is the one backing up Captain Landon about not eating the prisoners . . .

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:51 am 
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After Schlock's performance on Haven Hive, he's not exactly in a good position to argue this point.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:37 am 
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Barmaglot wrote:
After Schlock's performance on Haven Hive, he's not exactly in a good position to argue this point.


Executing prisoners and killing in combat (even with weaponised stomach acid-equivalents) are different things. You picked poor example.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:34 pm 
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Schlock says that "food that talks isn't food", nothing about prisoners or combatants there. This is an odd statement for him to make, see as how earlier, all he cared about with regard to eating people is not giving them a chance to get scared first.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:40 pm 
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Barmaglot wrote:
Schlock says that "food that talks isn't food", nothing about prisoners or combatants there. This is an odd statement for him to make, see as how earlier, all he cared about with regard to eating people is not giving them a chance to get scared first.

You remember he just went through an existential crisis, right?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:16 pm 
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Barmaglot wrote:
Schlock says that "food that talks isn't food", nothing about prisoners or combatants there. This is an odd statement for him to make, see as how earlier, all he cared about with regard to eating people is not giving them a chance to get scared first.
You remember he just went through an existential crisis, right?

Exactly, and so far it seems to have a durable effect.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:22 pm 
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Or he got nanny-hacked while in lockup.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:44 pm 
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While nanny-hacking is a possibility, you'd have to consider that Schlock's nonhumanoid, carboslilicate structure is going to make controlling him either very basic "shout aphorism, point gun and shoot" type of brain hack, or is going to have to be an amorph brain overwriting an amorph to have the depth of emotion shown here in response to ethical decisionmaking.

Considering Schlock has demonstrated he can reject nanny attacks all the way back from Xinchub's funeral, it's unlikely he's been overwritten.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:15 pm 
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"Food that talks isn't food" doesn't negate the possibility of eating ones enemies. It just preludes you from calling them *dinner*.

After all; we (some of us) eat Cheez Whiz, right? And that has more in common with *tupperware* than *food*.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:16 pm 
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I'm pretty sure Schlock is quoting from someone who told him to restrict his diet in the past. I know I've seen that exact phrase somewhere in the archives.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:55 pm 
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That's a quote from way back when Toughs were extracting from the Zoojack when the natives and the marines reassured each other that neither side viewed the other as food.

Note that Schlock did not actually agree to that at the time, possibly because he was never asked but still. So this is an important callback for him.

It occurs to me that the Zoojacks were probably built by the Oafans. Great big megastructures that kill any annie plants inside them are their hallmark.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:39 pm 
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The Zoojack stations are almost certainly Gatekeeper; they're not made of PTUs and closely associated with the Andromeda gate. And they didn't kill annie plants; the DAMEs in the system did because they could focus strikes on their gravitic gradient. The Can almost certainly suppressed them to prevent DAMEs from tracking them down.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:48 pm 
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Arcanestomper wrote:
Note that Schlock did not actually agree to that at the time, possibly because he was never asked but still. So this is an important callback for him.

"That's why your supposed to eat kreelies when they're young" is agreement.

Of a sorts.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:43 am 
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Shclock was saying it explained why you were supposed to only eat them young. He knew the rule not to eat them, but he didn't know it was because you weren't supposed to eat things that can talk.

I think that Schlock basically got the concept that you weren't supposed to eat people who were sapient. But he didn't know why. It was just something you didn't do. His latest existential crisis has driven home just why that's a bad thing, which is what prompted his words to Tenzy.


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(name here) wrote:
And they didn't kill annie plants; the DAMEs in the system did because they could focus strikes on their gravitic gradient. The Can almost certainly suppressed them to prevent DAMEs from tracking them down.


The DaMEs were certainly capable of not only tracking them but affecting them if they were of a mind to.

"Something invisible to our sensors is shepherding these stations from time to time."


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:47 pm 
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You don't guide the stations of somebody you hate.

I suspect that was a deal cut with that group of sapients. Some people hid (Ofan) some people struck a high-tech bargain (Gatekeepers) and some struck a low-tech bargain.


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Or the plot changed along the way.

Or there is more going on than we suspect.


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My guess is that it was part of the gatekeeper deal. The gatekeepers either were the most powerful species in the war against the Pa'anuri or else betrayed their allies. And as a condition of the agreement every other baryonic species was forcibly regressed.

Which given that they certainly wouldn't be able to support galactic levels of population in those stations means that the Pa'anuri basically genocided a whole lot of people and agreed to keep a few token specimens around to prevent total extinction.

We don't know if the Gatekeepers forced that concession or were complicit in the extermination. But they definitely knew about it, since they knew about the Andromeda gate. And somebody was keeping the insides of the zoojacks up to date with galactic language. Possibly they were also species that rose up after the armistice was reached and the Gatekeepers just kept slotting them into stations until too many species rose to power for them to stomp. At which point they decided ruling from the shadows by interrogating gate clones was a better solution.

Also it raises the question of whether the Pa'anuri are united. We literally know nothing about their society. Perhaps there are Pa'anuri who agree that the baryonic species cannot be allowed to continue, but won't condone wiping them out completely.


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