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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:16 pm 
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https://www.rit.edu/cla/philosophy/quine/analytic_synthetic.html wrote:
Analytic sentences are true by definition, and are generally self-explanatory. Additionally, they often have little to no informative value. Examples of analytic sentences include:

Frozen water is ice.
Bachelors are unmarried men.
Two halves make up a whole.

No additional meaning or knowledge is contained in the predicate that is not already given in the subject. Analytic sentences are redundant statements whose clarification relies entirely on definition. Analytic sentences tell us about logic and about language use. They do not give meaningful information about the world.

Synthetic statements, on the other hand, are based on our sensory data and experience. The truth-value of a synthetic statements cannot be figured out based solely on logic. If one had had no sensory input from the world, then studying the statement would not yield the meaning of the sentence, as it would for an analytic sentence. Examples of synthetic sentences are:

Children wear hats.
The table in the kitchen is round.
My computer is on.

Synthetic sentences are descriptions of the world that cannot be taken for granted. Sentences that are possibly true but not necessarily true are synthetic.


So while this _seems_ to be a significant idea that Cindy is trying to bring up, in reality it just means that she is talking about non-tautalogical statements, such as "Children are messy", or "Most Schlock comics are funny", or "Howard's tweets are entertaining".

As opposed to "tautalogically" true statements, like "Petey is annoying".

Now, I actually cut off a section of that page. There's a philosophical question as to whether or not there is a valid distinction here -- "Water ice is solid cold water" requires knowing more information to establish its truth value, and apparently, no one has managed to come up with a way to distinguish the types without effectively deciding on a case by case basis.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:39 pm 
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All names make statements. Some statements cause positive emotional responses:

Spirit of '76
City of Hope
Salvation

Some cause negative emotional responses:

Hell Bringer
Fear Monger
Post Dated Check Loan

And some statements are very ambiguous. They characterize the idea of synthetic statements to an extreme extent.

Old and Sneaky
Been There, Done That
Old Soul

I'm watching with anticipation where Howard takes this.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:51 pm 
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Don't care. Just as long as her final name is something along the lines of "he who crosses me is a dead man"

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:03 pm 
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RickBoatright wrote:
All names make statements. Some statements cause positive emotional responses:

Spirit of '76 . . .

Not if you're british . . . :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:43 pm 
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grahamf wrote:
Don't care. Just as long as her final name is something along the lines of "he who crosses me is a dead man"


I'll be disappointed if it doesn't end in 'cone'...

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I'll be disappointed if it doesn't end in 'cone'...

I expect it'll start with some variant of "Cind".


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:42 am 
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Cinders fly from my cone?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:07 am 
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Cinders fly from my cone?

She was Bristlecone. During that time it appears she was only referred to as Bristlecone. Then she became Cindercone and the Toughs took to calling her Cindy, as they often prefer informality to such things.

Thus she is now Cindy... hence I suspect Cind to be in the name somewhere.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:55 pm 
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Which is why I gave a name that fit your criteria

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A full sentence isn't a good name. A name shall be usable like a noun in a sentence. Thus a synthetic statement doesn't work well as a name, but "Synthetic Statement" does. And "syn" sounds like "cin" in messed-up English pronunciation.

Not that I would have chosen that for a name.

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Rombobjörn wrote:
A full sentence isn't a good name. A name shall be usable like a noun in a sentence. Thus a synthetic statement doesn't work well as a name, but "Synthetic Statement" does. And "syn" sounds like "cin" in messed-up English pronunciation.

Not that I would have chosen that for a name.

I've been wondering if that's the direction she's going as well... but was kinda hoping not, as you said, it's "Not a name I'd have chosen".


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:42 am 
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Couldn't find anything unusual containing "cind", but it turns out cindering and cinderous are legit words. They mean close to what you'd expect (cindering is a piece of burned material rather than a verb), and I suppose you could make a decent name with them but I doubt it'll be the case here.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:36 am 
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Synthetic Stamen?

A stamen is a male reproductive organ, and that main gun does look rather phallic.

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I was also considered she might go the 'sin' route, but that's not a turn I'd expect from our author.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:19 pm 
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If I may be a total kiss-ass for a second: Howard's been telling this story for a decade and a half now, yet he still knows how to effectively hold us in suspense.

Seriously... this man can WRITE.


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It helps that the story is being doled out one day at a time, one gag or other story bit at a time.

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On the FB page, I took my crack at a guess:
InCindyAry.

It fits the ship as a synthetic statement, as the ship mounts a unique gun described by its salesman as "blowing fire".

It includes the desired syllable directly. Perfectly in the middle in fact.

And it sets up to traumatize Kaff if his father finds himself needing to holler the ship's name in an attempt to get danger close fire support.


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Rombobjörn wrote:
A full sentence isn't a good name. A name shall be usable like a noun in a sentence. Thus a synthetic statement doesn't work well as a name, but "Synthetic Statement" does. And "syn" sounds like "cin" in messed-up English pronunciation.

Not that I would have chosen that for a name.

As lonmg as we don't end up with something like the full "Mistake Not..." name.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:10 pm 
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Well, Cynthetic Certainty certainly makes the statement 'I don't care if no one can pronounce this ship's name out loud'.


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mossyfisk wrote:
Well, Cynthetic Certainty certainly makes the statement 'I don't care if no one can pronounce this ship's name out loud'.

Why would anyone have difficulty in pronouncing it out loud?


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What does it meeeeeeean?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:19 pm 
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Ishidan wrote:
On the FB page, I took my crack at a guess:
InCindyAry.

It fits the ship as a synthetic statement, as the ship mounts a unique gun described by its salesman as "blowing fire".

It includes the desired syllable directly. Perfectly in the middle in fact.

And it sets up to traumatize Kaff if his father finds himself needing to holler the ship's name in an attempt to get danger close fire support.


I have a new guess:

Firewatcher.

Because she carries a Fire Team.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:53 am 
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By the time this is over I think he'll have wished he let schlock burn "I haven't decided yet" into the hull.


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