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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:46 pm 
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So... talk about closing the barn door after the cows got out eh Ennesby? Object 4118-6 already knows and has initiated it's first set of moves, y'all are behind the 8-Ball on this one.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:04 pm 
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Besides, if the Toughs ever did the smart and sensible thing, we wouldn't have a plot.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:00 am 
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Actually I think that they're going to realize that Object 4118-6 is already out and about in the galaxy and feel obligated to find and contain it. Or at least bring it to a place where it can work as a part of galactic society rather than as some kind of hostile entity. And that's what's going to prevent them from abandoning the contract.

Sure it might be safer in the short term. But someone needs to deal with this situation. It's probably going to be Petey if they don't. And Petey would probably delegate the task to them somehow in the end anyway.

Also the really smart thing to do would be to retire from mercenary work entirely and invest their vast wealth into infrastructure to ensure they would be living in luxury for eternity. But they've already chosen not to do that.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:30 am 
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I think one of the next pages is going to be something along the lines of "Oh so it's a really big scary object? We specialize in those now"

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:09 am 
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So we are getting a look at Petey's end game? It is totally going to join the fleet mind maybe challenge petey's control.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:50 am 
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grahamf wrote:
I think one of the next pages is going to be something along the lines of "Oh so it's a really big scary object? We specialize in those now"

I think it'll be more like of "it's dangerous even if we do nothing" since even if the current issue isn't its fault they'll keep poking at it until something does go wrong.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:12 pm 
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So we are getting a look at Petey's end game? It is totally going to join the fleet mind maybe challenge petey's control.

Maybe? He's already assimilated the archive but they're not showing how that is going except that he's still arguing with it a bit.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:06 pm 
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I thought he specifically did not assimilate the Archive. He physically took it somewhere and is working on finding out what's in it, but it remained separate from the Fleet Mind.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:06 pm 
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We don't have much detail on what he did with the archive. However, they were seen conversing in the hex background that represents networking between AIs, so the archive was online to some degree. In addition Petey was reading relevant information about the ends of civilizations from a scroll, which represents significant information gained from the archive if not a total disclosure.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:16 pm 
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Scene coming up:

The safest thing to do is to kill and flee. We can afford it.

It's dangerous, fine. But if we don't handle it now, who will?

Would you willing go towards danger?

Lets make sure we all have current backups, shall we?

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I think this is foolish. Even with backups, a suicide mission is still a suicide mission.

Have you ever considered that being able to come back from the dead means that there is no such thing as suicide anymore? Schlock, what's your take on being a new Schlock?

It's lost forevers, with a different set of forevers.
And besides, that's not the real question we should ask.

We should be asking what would Petey be asking us to do when he finds out about this stellar-sized AI

Incoming call from Petey on line 1

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:01 am 
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It's a huge unknown, but not necessarily a suicide mission. I don't see any indication that they are being cavalier with their lives. The thing is, they're staying active for the sake of galactic civilation, so that assumes some risk. Well, that's the implication at least. And if this thing is a risk to the galaxy staying out of its business is a bad idea.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:09 pm 
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If tonights strip doesn't prove that the "intel speciallist" isn't stupider than a bag of rocks, I don't know what will

And of course
BECAUSE THE PLOT DEMANDZ IT!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:18 pm 
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If tonight's strip doesn't prove that the "intel speciallist" is exceptionally competent and doing her job well, I don't know what will.

And coincidentally,
IT MAKE FOR GREAT PLOT!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:43 pm 
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If tonights strip doesn't prove that the "intel speciallist" isn't stupider than a bag of rocks, I don't know what will

And of course
BECAUSE THE PLOT DEMANDZ IT!!!!

Eh, I have to agree with Evileeyore on this. Bringing up options--even objectively "This will probably get you killed ... again" options--is the intel specialist's job. Yes, she could have prefaced her comment with "You'd have to be stupid to do this, but..." but why do that? The other officers know that there is a possibility of risk: why belabor the point?

OK, maybe belaboring the point for Schlock's benefit would have done some good.... :schlock:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:35 pm 
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To be entirely honest when dealing with a stellar sized super computer I would be less worried about dying, and more worried about it hacking my brain. We've seen that Petey has that kind of capability and while he probably has more power than this thing has available it likely has more processing capacity.

We know it did something with the prospectors. Whether it just hacked their ship or actually hacked them either way isn't a great possibility.

Also yes, there is a risk in this, but honestly they are mercenaries. They were risking their lives for money even before Lazarus was a thing. Why exactly would we expect them to change that now. If anything I think Ennesby is going to ensure that the point is raised and thoroughly discussed before they do anything.


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Black Sheep wrote:
kham wrote:
If tonights strip doesn't prove that the "intel speciallist" isn't stupider than a bag of rocks, I don't know what will

And of course
BECAUSE THE PLOT DEMANDZ IT!!!!

Eh, I have to agree with Evileeyore on this. Bringing up options--even objectively "This will probably get you killed ... again" options--is the intel specialist's job. Yes, she could have prefaced her comment with "You'd have to be stupid to do this, but..." but why do that? The other officers know that there is a possibility of risk: why belabor the point?

OK, maybe belaboring the point for Schlock's benefit would have done some good.... :schlock:

I believe Tagon Sr has already asked her to stop stating the obvious - back when she was describing the scale of the damage to the world forge as being more than "smushed"

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:03 am 
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Arcanestomper wrote:
To be entirely honest when dealing with a stellar sized super computer I would be less worried about dying, and more worried about it hacking my brain. We've seen that Petey has that kind of capability and while he probably has more power than this thing has available it likely has more processing capacity.

We know it did something with the prospectors. Whether it just hacked their ship or actually hacked them either way isn't a great possibility.

Also yes, there is a risk in this, but honestly they are mercenaries. They were risking their lives for money even before Lazarus was a thing. Why exactly would we expect them to change that now. If anything I think Ennesby is going to ensure that the point is raised and thoroughly discussed before they do anything.


Thoroughly lampshaded, you mean?
"yes, this is a dumb plot thing, we're doing it anyway."

(For the record, I agree with everything else in the quoted post.)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:22 pm 
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StClair wrote:
"yes, this is a dumb plot thing, we're doing it anyway."

Why do people keep thinking investigating is dumb?

Yes there is a risk. The risk is better taken by the group not likely to use what they find as a super weapon to destabilize the galaxy.

Make no mistake, at least one group is mounting an expedition. At least one group. It's best our heroes get on this before more occurs off screen.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:28 pm 
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evileeyore wrote:
StClair wrote:
"yes, this is a dumb plot thing, we're doing it anyway."

Why do people keep thinking investigating is dumb?

Yes there is a risk. The risk is better taken by the group not likely to use what they find as a super weapon to destabilize the galaxy.

Make no mistake, at least one group is mounting an expedition. At least one group. It's best our heroes get on this before more occurs off screen.

People think investigating is dumb because if investigating leads to no problems, then there is no plot, and we know there will be a plot, thus we know investigating will lead to problems. Doing something you know leads to (potentially galaxy threatening problems) can reasonably be thought to be dumb; and calling it in advance lets people feel smugly superior in that they spotted things coming.

The problem with the above analysis, as you point out, is that it ignores the fact that if they ran away and tried to hide that isn't necessarily any better or safer.

In fact, if they run and hide, then we still know there will be a plot, and thus we know running won't work either. It will lead to something HUNTING THEM DOWN, and coming after them, rather than them going after it when as prepared as possible.

If Our Heroes were the sort to duck problems, then right now we'd be seeing dozens of people saying "running away again, don't they realize that that always makes things even WORSE than if they'd investigated before things got totally FUBAR?"


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:32 pm 
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Doug Lampert wrote:
evileeyore wrote:
StClair wrote:
"yes, this is a dumb plot thing, we're doing it anyway."

Why do people keep thinking investigating is dumb?

Yes there is a risk. The risk is better taken by the group not likely to use what they find as a super weapon to destabilize the galaxy.

Make no mistake, at least one group is mounting an expedition. At least one group. It's best our heroes get on this before more occurs off screen.

People think investigating is dumb because if investigating leads to no problems, then there is no plot, and we know there will be a plot, thus we know investigating will lead to problems. Doing something you know leads to (potentially galaxy threatening problems) can reasonably be thought to be dumb; and calling it in advance lets people feel smugly superior in that they spotted things coming.

The problem with the above analysis, as you point out, is that it ignores the fact that if they ran away and tried to hide that isn't necessarily any better or safer.

In fact, if they run and hide, then we still know there will be a plot, and thus we know running won't work either. It will lead to something HUNTING THEM DOWN, and coming after them, rather than them going after it when as prepared as possible.

If Our Heroes were the sort to duck problems, then right now we'd be seeing dozens of people saying "running away again, don't they realize that that always makes things even WORSE than if they'd investigated before things got totally FUBAR?"

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:56 am 
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The forum doesn't have an upvote--this is the best I could do.

Yeah, all the upboats.


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