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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:47 pm 
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grahamf wrote:
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No, the All-Star is a shell around a star, a shell that judging from the depictions of it is probably millions of kilometers thick, it could easily contain thousands of Kkm class annie plants that they don't normally have active due to them being detectable and not needing the huge energy output unless they are running their offensive or defensive capabilities

Just because it can doesn't mean it does. The whole point of a stellar enclosure is to get by without annie plants.

The warships no doubt contain annie plants, but we have no reason to be certain that the All-Star itself is peppered with huge plants. We should've seen them in the cross section.


Annie plants are inherently more of a vehicle engine than a primary energy source. Neutronium is really nothing more than a really great fuel, and something has to use energy to make that fuel in the first place. So having a stellar enclosure to harvest a star makes sense for long term power. But then annie plants also make sense to have for spike consumption.

Honestly I think it could go either way, but we shouldn't be taking the cross section as any sort of guide. On the scale it was shown at you could lose earth in the pixels. Those dots in the orange ring are probably the size of gas giants. There could be annie plants all over the place up to the size of planets and they wouldn't show up unless you zoomed in much further.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:02 am 
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Arcanestomper wrote:
grahamf wrote:
Grashtel wrote:
No, the All-Star is a shell around a star, a shell that judging from the depictions of it is probably millions of kilometers thick, it could easily contain thousands of Kkm class annie plants that they don't normally have active due to them being detectable and not needing the huge energy output unless they are running their offensive or defensive capabilities

Just because it can doesn't mean it does. The whole point of a stellar enclosure is to get by without annie plants.

The warships no doubt contain annie plants, but we have no reason to be certain that the All-Star itself is peppered with huge plants. We should've seen them in the cross section.


Annie plants are inherently more of a vehicle engine than a primary energy source. Neutronium is really nothing more than a really great fuel, and something has to use energy to make that fuel in the first place. So having a stellar enclosure to harvest a star makes sense for long term power. But then annie plants also make sense to have for spike consumption.

Honestly I think it could go either way, but we shouldn't be taking the cross section as any sort of guide. On the scale it was shown at you could lose earth in the pixels. Those dots in the orange ring are probably the size of gas giants. There could be annie plants all over the place up to the size of planets and they wouldn't show up unless you zoomed in much further.


You seem to be thinking that the All-Star is bigger than it is. The entire thing is roughly the size of Sol, which is still BIG but not *that* big.

Anyway, you could get the same result from Annie plants with large-scale capacitor banks, you wouldn't need to keep them running or spending time warbucking them, and you wouldn't have the risk of the plants being detected because of their extreme and highly unnatural gravity curve.

We're talking a curve that makes it possible for five micro plants that are unseen in a uniform to counteract the pull of earth normal gravity and then some. There's gravitic sensors in the Schlockiverse that can detect the gravity ripple from an asteroid being introduced to a star system. They aren't going to miss *planet-sized annies*.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:53 am 
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Kendrakirai wrote:
You seem to be thinking that the All-Star is bigger than it is. The entire thing is roughly the size of Sol, which is still BIG but not *that* big.

Sol is roughly 1.4 million kilometres in diameter. Say the All-Star is smaller, 1 million kilometres. We were shown the All-Star in an image less than a thousand pixels across. A hundred-kilometre annie would be less than a tenth of a pixel.
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Anyway, you could get the same result from Annie plants with large-scale capacitor banks, you wouldn't need to keep them running or spending time warbucking them, and you wouldn't have the risk of the plants being detected because of their extreme and highly unnatural gravity curve.

Starting an annie doesn't seem to involve forcing vast quantities of matter into it. So they seem to have the same mass, and therefore the same gravity field, if they're running or not.

"There's a trick to keeping neutronium stable."

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:13 am 
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John Dallman wrote:
Kendrakirai wrote:
You seem to be thinking that the All-Star is bigger than it is. The entire thing is roughly the size of Sol, which is still BIG but not *that* big.

Sol is roughly 1.4 million kilometres in diameter. Say the All-Star is smaller, 1 million kilometres. We were shown the All-Star in an image less than a thousand pixels across. A hundred-kilometre annie would be less than a tenth of a pixel.
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Anyway, you could get the same result from Annie plants with large-scale capacitor banks, you wouldn't need to keep them running or spending time warbucking them, and you wouldn't have the risk of the plants being detected because of their extreme and highly unnatural gravity curve.

Starting an annie doesn't seem to involve forcing vast quantities of matter into it. So they seem to have the same mass, and therefore the same gravity field, if they're running or not.

"There's a trick to keeping neutronium stable."


All the more reason to not have them. Annie plants are easily detectable, like I said. The All-Star would have lit up like a neon sign to any probes as being active rather than a 'dead' artifact like Oisri, Eina-Afa, and Uli-Oa.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:05 pm 
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John Dallman wrote:
Kendrakirai wrote:
You seem to be thinking that the All-Star is bigger than it is. The entire thing is roughly the size of Sol, which is still BIG but not *that* big.

Sol is roughly 1.4 million kilometres in diameter. Say the All-Star is smaller, 1 million kilometres. We were shown the All-Star in an image less than a thousand pixels across. A hundred-kilometre annie would be less than a tenth of a pixel.

If there were annie plants in the All-Star, Howard would have hinted at their existence somewhere in the strips. That they haven't appeared at all is enough for me to conclude there aren't any.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:48 pm 
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Kendrakirai wrote:
All the more reason to not have them. Annie plants are easily detectable, like I said. The All-Star would have lit up like a neon sign to any probes as being active rather than a 'dead' artifact like Oisri, Eina-Afa, and Uli-Oa.


Annie plants are detectable only when active; Eina-Afa has plenty of them, just in shut-down state.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:22 am 
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If the allstar needs to keep itself hidden and still receive communication from the outside, then it just needs a .onion address and encrypted forwarding.

Of course, that only works if there are other people using that; if you're the only user of Tor you get spotted.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:41 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:20 am 
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Barmaglot wrote:
Annie plants are detectable only when active

Hence the Pa'anuri Protocol.

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