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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:23 pm 
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Kendrakirai wrote:
And what planets? No planets were mentioned in the All-Star's system, and even if there were....leave 'em behind. What's a few more rogue planets in the galaxy? Even if somebody bothered to track them back to a source point all they'd find is a missing star. Which they already knew we're getting 'inhaled' during that a previous cycle.


You missed the acceleration bit. In the part of one of the last books in the series, when we finally see the backstory of the first human ship that ran into the puppeteers, we see that they spotted the constant acceleration (memory says 0.1g) of a planet being moved into the rosetta. So a simple ship was able to spot it -- in a galaxy full of telescopes, their acceleration would be seen.

That, in turn, would get others interested in "just what is that?".

Keeping that quiet would be impossible.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:33 am 
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keybounce wrote:
Kendrakirai wrote:
And what planets? No planets were mentioned in the All-Star's system, and even if there were....leave 'em behind. What's a few more rogue planets in the galaxy? Even if somebody bothered to track them back to a source point all they'd find is a missing star. Which they already knew we're getting 'inhaled' during that a previous cycle.


You missed the acceleration bit. In the part of one of the last books in the series, when we finally see the backstory of the first human ship that ran into the puppeteers, we see that they spotted the constant acceleration (memory says 0.1g) of a planet being moved into the rosetta. So a simple ship was able to spot it -- in a galaxy full of telescopes, their acceleration would be seen.

That, in turn, would get others interested in "just what is that?".

Keeping that quiet would be impossible.


Wait, puppeteers? Books? The heck are you talking about exactly?

If you mean the Zoojack system they only figured out the stations were being herded from close examination.

In Schlock, they've been baffled by the disappearance of stars only because they had a map of where these things should have been. MISSING STARS should be a hell of a lot more visible to telescopes and millions of sensors than a planet being moved.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:53 am 
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Kendrakirai wrote:
Wait, puppeteers? Books? The heck are you talking about exactly?

He's talking about Larry Niven's Known Space universe... so he's trying to use the shaky 'science' in a completely different author's work as an argument.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:08 pm 
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If you have something under constant 0.1g acceleration, it will show up on long-term telescope observations.

If you are outside the area of the galaxy where terraporting is possible, you will have to switch to a drive system. One strong enough to move a stellar mass, and have a deflector system strong enough to move charged particles half a stellar distance faster than your movement speed through space.

ALL of that will be things that show up to observers.

This is what happened in one of the known space books, when they were describing the initial encounter between humans and puppeteers. The humans saw a planet-sized object under thrust, 10 LY away. Sent off a radio message. Basically, 10 years and a day later, they got boarded by the extremely "we are afraid of aliens" puppeteers who basically thought "take them out before they take us out".

If the allstar tries to flee the galaxy, they will have to use trust. If they have enough speed to be meaningful, they will be moving inter-galactic dust at high speeds so that their star can pass, and that will be a glowing trail across the space between galaxies. The thrust will be detected; the movement/acceleration of charged particles by their shield will be detected. They will be an obvious "Here we are" sign.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:32 pm 
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keybounce wrote:
If you have something under constant 0.1g acceleration, it will show up on long-term telescope observations.

If you are outside the area of the galaxy where terraporting is possible, you will have to switch to a drive system. One strong enough to move a stellar mass, and have a deflector system strong enough to move charged particles half a stellar distance faster than your movement speed through space.

ALL of that will be things that show up to observers.

This is what happened in one of the known space books, when they were describing the initial encounter between humans and puppeteers. The humans saw a planet-sized object under thrust, 10 LY away. Sent off a radio message. Basically, 10 years and a day later, they got boarded by the extremely "we are afraid of aliens" puppeteers who basically thought "take them out before they take us out".

If the allstar tries to flee the galaxy, they will have to use trust. If they have enough speed to be meaningful, they will be moving inter-galactic dust at high speeds so that their star can pass, and that will be a glowing trail across the space between galaxies. The thrust will be detected; the movement/acceleration of charged particles by their shield will be detected. They will be an obvious "Here we are" sign.



Teraport to the outskirts of the galactic Teraport envelope. Then just....drift. Simple enough.

And grav shields are different. They bend the particles around the ship. There's no collision. No refraction or reflection of particles. If you remember the solar laser being used on Dom Atlantis, the photons were being *bent* while atill going in a straight line. Extreme gravitational lensing rather than impact scattering. There'd be nothing to see except whatever impact their course has on planetary systems - and they could VERY easily navigate around that, or even correct orbits as they pass.

Honestly, that world ship thing was just ASKING to be found if they were plowing a straight line through interstellar matter. That totally belies the scientific knowledge necessary to turn ones planet into a vessel in the first place.

It's like building a perfect cloaking device...and then using a diesel engine to move it around, while belching smoke everywhere behind you.


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