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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:22 pm 
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I'm fairly sure Petey has the Ob'enn pinned down, but I don't remember anywhere where it says he actually defeated them. And given that he would have to get past the cloak to really do so I find it doubtful even for him.

The Planet Mercenary RPG, which we're taking in canon for the ship classification table, states that the Ob'enn's current fleet is currently pinned inside their system by external TAD fields. I doubt that would be necessary if people didn't think they were still a threat.


Yea, that fits with my impression as well. Keep the external pressure on and wait for internal pressure to grow and crack them. The Andromeda war also means sparing enough power to take on such a big military is not as available as it once was.

is the TAD a solid sphere or a shell? if the former how is he protecting the internal nodes? and the latter then can't they bypass the TAD by getting far enough away from any nodes?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:05 pm 
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grahamf wrote:
Q99 wrote:
Arcanestomper wrote:
I'm fairly sure Petey has the Ob'enn pinned down, but I don't remember anywhere where it says he actually defeated them. And given that he would have to get past the cloak to really do so I find it doubtful even for him.

The Planet Mercenary RPG, which we're taking in canon for the ship classification table, states that the Ob'enn's current fleet is currently pinned inside their system by external TAD fields. I doubt that would be necessary if people didn't think they were still a threat.


Yea, that fits with my impression as well. Keep the external pressure on and wait for internal pressure to grow and crack them. The Andromeda war also means sparing enough power to take on such a big military is not as available as it once was.

is the TAD a solid sphere or a shell? if the former how is he protecting the internal nodes? and the latter then can't they bypass the TAD by getting far enough away from any nodes?


The only way it would work is if it was a solid sphere, since a shell would just be teraported past. I imagine he protects them simply by having them installed on very large warheads or having them overlap and Teraport in a dozen new ones every time one is destroyed. Or both. Or maybe he's installed it dangerously close to their sun, or within their planets and habitats.

It takes a solid week to reach the outer limits of the Sol TAD, if I recall, at a hefty fraction of c, no reason to think it wouldn't be the same in Tause so any attempts to break the cordon would be easily seen and countered.

"yeah, that sector LOOKS clear, right up until the screaming starts!" to paraphrase the last time I recall seeing the Ob'enn.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:38 pm 
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I figured he probably just has some enormous TAD generators way out in the Ob'enn's Oort cloud and uses overlapping fields to cover the whole system.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:35 pm 
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There are lots of navies, of varying power. As you say, 8 have carriers.

Match any of them against a US Supercarrier and see what happens.


I know the result: US carriers sink if they try taking on any proper navy. Over last 3 decades, exercises have shown that US Navy is consistently incapable of defending their carriers against submarine attacks. Main role of modern carriers is force projection against inferior force.

The US military has some serious systematic problems with their readiness exercises. While that is definitely the modern role of carriers, we also live in a time where major powers don't directly confront each other. I have a hard time believing carriers would be of limited use in a serious military confrontation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the role of air superiority is still considered crucial to winning a battle, right?


The point I am making is that in roughly symmetric conflict US carriers can not provide air superiority. In case of any conflict between USA and first world country with proper navy (except of Canada because such conflict would be inherently land-based), diesel subs would suppress US carriers into staying at home, while other fleet elements slug it out - entire battlegroups have, with hilarious consistency, failed to protect their carriers. Losing carriers early on would be both huge loss in strategic terms and massive blow to morale and as such, completely unacceptable. I expect that after one or two lost carriers, all carriers would be recalled. Carriers could only safely start operating after establishing total naval dominance, which I doubt would actually happen, subs would still keep slipping past taking out carriers. This would result in a stalemate where neither side can actually cross ocean and invade (because any invasion would lack air support) other party without help of local powers. Stalemate that would be broken by external (external to standing military, I mean) factors like industrial capacity and international reaction.

That's obviously assuming that nuclear weapons aren't used.


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