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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 8:08 pm 
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I have to wonder, why is it that AIs who transfer themselves to new systems never seem to check or partition themselves from their superstructures they inhabit.

Chinook clearly hasn't taken all of five microseconds to audit all her resources and functions. Cindercone didn't realise her ship was a teraport cage and LOTA also got infected by the burana bots that Ennesby programmed.

Admittedly LOTA found out about the long gun in Credomar, but it seems for all of Chinook's checksums she didn't even see huge processors not included in her available accssable memory.


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I don't think that LOTA was infected by the burana bots. As for Cindercone...well, she's not an Oafan AI, and might not have recognized everything she had access to.

Chinook, though, is inhabiting an enormous habitat with systems that are known to not have been as well maintained as they ought to have been, and who knows how badly millions of years have worn on them?


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On top of that, T'kkkuts Afa successfully hid those automated backdoors from himself - and he knew his systems better than Chinook ever could.

When you're made of software, it may be impossible to notice a hardware exploit in the system you're running on, because that exploit is part of you. If it was designed to hide itself from you, then you will never be able to notice it.


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That said Chinook also wasn't native to this hardware and it was potentially damaged.. She should have been running a checksum against herself that would detect some bit of automated hardware deleting parts of her memory. Even if there aren't booby traps the possibility of hardware failure is a thing, and when your an AI data redundancy is pretty important.


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So Tagii didn't go to the crazy place again. She was dragged there. That changes my opinion of her. Unfortunately, I don't think that changes the best course of action...


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I have a fundamental disagreement with Putzho's conclusion.

If Putzho, running from within* the T'kkkuts Afa mindspace, then Chinook could have found all this had she but looked. If Putzho somehow found all this from his ship, then likewise, anyone else could have found it had they looked.


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You don't need to run an active audit. You just need to have backups and every so often check that your backups aren't substantially diverging from each other. Obviously some divergence is acceptable in the course of living, but deleting swaths of memory and going insane should give enough divergence to raise a red flag.

That said I think it is becoming very clear that no one really looked to hard at the Eina-Afa hardware. Part of that might be its sheer size, but I think the abundance of PTUs may have blinded them a bit to other less obvious technologies.


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What's more sad about this it could have been avoided if they'd only run that parity check...


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The impressive thing is how quickly Putzho was able to discover entire sections of the Eina-Afa hardware that Chinook apparently was unaware of.
Is he doing this just as a software infection? Or is the copy in the All-star cruiser using some fancy scanners?


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It also helps that the mind alteration is happening right in front of Putzho, and he can literally see it with his advanced sensors, which Petey couldn't do (which is why he's relying on Putzho).

I take it back, it probably isn't really their fault. Still, it's painful to see what might have been avoidable!


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I'm under impression that All-Star's tech and knowledge gives Putzho some capacities even deus ex bear would consider deus ex machina. Which is good, because right now we need deus ex grade solution for galaxy to survive, except all parts were in some way foreshadowed (forgetting what was forgotten, eh?), so it's not really deus ex machina.


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The part that I cannot follow: how did Eina-Afa's automated memory wipe cause Chinook to go crazy?

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Ha-! That's why Eina-afa has forgotten more things than all of them put together could remember!


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