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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:46 pm 
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evileeyore wrote:
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And there certainly isn't anything in the Schlockiverse that stops anyone from creating, mobilizing, and weaponizing an object the size of the Death Star or more.

I'm pretty sure economics exists in the Schlockverse.

Sorta? They have universal fabbers and the PTU market was recently flooded with finely diced antique warships.

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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:55 pm 
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Those diced warships are probably to "thank" for the UNS's most recent weapon...which they just fielded in the neighborhood where those shredded warships came from.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:21 am 
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evileeyore wrote:
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And there certainly isn't anything in the Schlockiverse that stops anyone from creating, mobilizing, and weaponizing an object the size of the Death Star or more.

I'm pretty sure economics exists in the Schlockverse.


Well it's actually too late for that. Osiri is something like 20 times the size of the death star and fully capable of being used as a weapon. The galactic core is many times bigger than that and has been used as a weapon. Shoot the galactic core can be used to move the whole galaxy so it's even technically mobile.

Then you've got things like the Allstar, the crushed world forge, and Eina-Afa which may or may not be weapons but are certainly on that scale. Sure the current galactic civilization can't build to that scale economically, but that's only for now. The Cloak of Untrammeled Dignity and the Galactic Core are recent and prove that they have the technology if they wanted to. And Petey is building a new world forge that probably will bring them into line with economic viability.

Shoot if they ever want to really win the war against the Pa'nuri they're probably going to be forced to build at least a few super weapons just to even the odds.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:42 am 
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Sean wrote:
Those diced warships are probably to "thank" for the UNS's most recent weapon...which they just fielded in the neighborhood where those shredded warships came from.

Exactly. But I bet there are few more battlepyramids floating around out there.

But a Peace Moon? No, that's way too big without a world forge and the only one we've seen so far was broken.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:32 am 
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evileeyore wrote:
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Those diced warships are probably to "thank" for the UNS's most recent weapon...which they just fielded in the neighborhood where those shredded warships came from.

Exactly. But I bet there are few more battlepyramids floating around out there.

But a Peace Moon? No, that's way too big without a world forge and the only one we've seen so far was broken.


Agreed; this conforms to me favorite John Hurt quote from the movie Contact:
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First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?

I wouldn't take your bet for all the nickels in Jupiter.

Meanwhile, we may not have a world forge yet, but my recollection of the purpose of the Jumpstar Prime (formerly Jupstart Primer) was to rebuild galactic industry to pre-extinction levels by building another world forge. There are just a couple of pesky details to work out, like the ethics of a plan to create then enslave dark matter entities as the core components of such a forge...

Come to think of it, though, I'm having a fridge moment. Petey has shown himself fully capable of building giant, high-quality annie plants; since the Oafans are on good diplomatic terms with the psychobear why not trade hullmetal for annies with him? I'm sure an extortionator class plant would do better than the trio you'd get from a tricorn.

I may have to go on another archive binge to sort this out...


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:36 am 
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evileeyore wrote:
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And there certainly isn't anything in the Schlockiverse that stops anyone from creating, mobilizing, and weaponizing an object the size of the Death Star or more.

I'm pretty sure economics exists in the Schlockverse.


Economics existed in the Star Wars universe too; didn't stop the Empire from building not one, but TWO Death Stars, the second one bigger than the first. Also didn't stop a remnant of the Empire from turning a large chunk of planet into a weapon able to destroy other planets from light-years away. And then there are all those Star Destroyers, Super Star Destroyers and other miles-long warships the various factions loved building...

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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:41 am 
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Cloak probably qualifies: https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2004-06-20

And let's not forget that this is the universe where things like the All-Star and Eina-Afa exist. With the right know how, very large things are certainly possible.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:42 pm 
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Zinho wrote:
Meanwhile, we may not have a world forge yet, but my recollection of the purpose of the Jumpstar Prime (formerly Jupstart Primer) was to rebuild galactic industry to pre-extinction levels by building another world forge.

That was not the purpose of Jumpstar prime.

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There are just a couple of pesky details to work out, like the ethics of a plan to create then enslave dark matter entities as the core components of such a forge...

And that's probably why Petey does not have a World Forge. Also he might not have had time to build one.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:34 am 
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The problem with building a "peace moon" or "death star" is that it would be vulnerable to long gun fire now.

Or, you know, a couple of Z-class fighters with some practice in bulls-eye shooting.

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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:25 am 
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Problems with building such structures aside, it's still worth noting that such things are clearly so far beyond the normal range of Q that the difference between them and the rest of Q would be greater than the difference between anything else normally on the table. If someone is fielding a Peace Moon, such an object would barely register the distinction between a Battleplate and a Schlock in a Spacesuit.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:39 am 
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evileeyore wrote:
Zinho wrote:
Meanwhile, we may not have a world forge yet, but my recollection of the purpose of the Jumpstar Prime (formerly Jupstart Primer) was to rebuild galactic industry to pre-extinction levels by building another world forge.

That was not the purpose of Jumpstar prime.

You really want me to go on an archive binge, doncha?

I double-checked, and you're right that Jumpstar wasn't intended to build a world forge, it's there to build crypt spiders. The point of those crypt spiders, though, is to find how to make world forges using the information stored on mind-foils of the dead Oafans.

Given the current information we have on the fate of those Oafans, I wonder how much longer the toughs or the rest of their society will continue entertaining the idea of rebuilding/restarting those forges and just go digital instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:23 am 
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Fishman wrote:
Problems with building such structures aside, it's still worth noting that such things are clearly so far beyond the normal range of Q that the difference between them and the rest of Q would be greater than the difference between anything else normally on the table. If someone is fielding a Peace Moon, such an object would barely register the distinction between a Battleplate and a Schlock in a Spacesuit.



Like I said, anything much bigger than a Q class is probably better designated a space station, Orbital Habitat, or Artificial Planetoid than 'spacecraft'.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:23 am 
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So Schlock in a spacesuit is the same rating as a battleplate? Sounds about right.

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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:28 am 
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keybounce wrote:
So Schlock in a spacesuit is the same rating as a battleplate? Sounds about right.

I think this is the comparison you are looking for.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Ranking
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:01 pm 
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And I think Schlock could probably take on a DAME, if he had his plasgun and no anne plant.

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