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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:10 am 
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What is Ennesby playing at? Is this Good Cop, Bad Cop, Crazy Cop? What does Ennesby know that we don't?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:12 am 
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evileeyore wrote:
What is Ennesby playing at? Is this Good Cop, Bad Cop, Crazy Cop? What does Ennesby know that we don't?


The text seems pretty clear....

Ennesby was either broadcasting to Chinook's icebox specifically, or was broadcasting on all channels that a hypothetical recently awakened icebox of Chinook might be listening to.

His message means exactly what it says. Chinook's other instances have gone murderously insane, are armed with Long Guns, and will kill the Icebox rather than permit it to do anything useful. Running is advised.

Basic reasons why insane-chinook would be willing to kill icebox-chinook include:

The Icebox's existence makes it easier to rehabilitate the insane-Chinook, which she doesn't want.

If the Icebox talks, it can tell everyone exactly how many Long Guns Chinook has, what method of hiding them she last used, and how she runs spotting operations.

The Icebox may have useful information and backdoors for conducting ongoing psychological operations or outright hacking of insane-Chinook...

Ennesby's messages all seem very clear. It's Blimpkin's messages that are a little strange. I'm not sure why he thought that Icebox-Chinook needed to hear all that. Unless maybe he wasn't specifically broadcasting to the Icebox version?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:12 am 
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Krennson wrote:
evileeyore wrote:
What is Ennesby playing at? Is this Good Cop, Bad Cop, Crazy Cop? What does Ennesby know that we don't?


The text seems pretty clear....

Ennesby was either broadcasting to Chinook's icebox specifically, or was broadcasting on all channels that a hypothetical recently awakened icebox of Chinook might be listening to.

His message means exactly what it says. Chinook's other instances have gone murderously insane, are armed with Long Guns, and will kill the Icebox rather than permit it to do anything useful. Running is advised.

Basic reasons why insane-chinook would be willing to kill icebox-chinook include:

The Icebox's existence makes it easier to rehabilitate the insane-Chinook, which she doesn't want.

If the Icebox talks, it can tell everyone exactly how many Long Guns Chinook has, what method of hiding them she last used, and how she runs spotting operations.

The Icebox may have useful information and backdoors for conducting ongoing psychological operations or outright hacking of insane-Chinook...

Ennesby's messages all seem very clear. It's Blimpkin's messages that are a little strange. I'm not sure why he thought that Icebox-Chinook needed to hear all that. Unless maybe he wasn't specifically broadcasting to the Icebox version?

Yeah I don't get the Blimpkin's message. It sounds like he expects corrupted nodes to return. But this does seem like a message directed to Niña specifically as she initiated a hello ping during her boot-up diagnostics.

Maybe Blimpkin doesn't really understand or trust the concept of an icebox.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:17 pm 
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grahamf wrote:
Krennson wrote:
Ennesby's messages all seem very clear. It's Blimpkin's messages that are a little strange. I'm not sure why he thought that Icebox-Chinook needed to hear all that. Unless maybe he wasn't specifically broadcasting to the Icebox version?

Yeah I don't get the Blimpkin's message. It sounds like he expects corrupted nodes to return. But this does seem like a message directed to Niña specifically as she initiated a hello ping during her boot-up diagnostics.

Maybe Blimpkin doesn't really understand or trust the concept of an icebox.


My best GUESS is that Blimpkin is broadcasting on a general channel, which all versions of Chinook can hear. And Blimpkin is honestly trying to talk to ALL versions of Chinook, simultanously. Sane or un-sane, peaceful or warlike, new or old.

Meanwhile, Ennesby is broadcasting on the SAME all-hands Chinook Channel, but his messages are only INTENDED for Icebox-chinook to care about. Problem being, that Ennesby messages therefore both undermine Blimpkin's messages to the insane versions of Chinook, and may even give the insane versions certain violent ideas.....

that's my best guess, anyway. I'm still not certain that it entirely makes sense that way....


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:29 pm 
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Krennson wrote:
The text seems pretty clear....

I'm not questioning the text, I'm questioning the subtext.

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Basic reasons why insane-chinook would be willing to kill icebox-chinook include:

That's presuming it wasn't the Ofans blowing it up.

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The Icebox's existence makes it easier to rehabilitate the insane-Chinook, which she doesn't want.

The crazy update message probably doesn't know that Chinook has been captured and thus locked out of the communication network.

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If the Icebox talks, it can tell everyone exactly how many Long Guns Chinook has, what method of hiding them she last used, and how she runs spotting operations.

That's not how intelligent guerrilla cell networks operate. Chinook was a very intelligent military operator, none of her isolated cells would have information on where any other isolated cells are.

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The Icebox may have useful information and backdoors for conducting ongoing psychological operations or outright hacking of insane-Chinook...

It's literally listed as a back-up. It's use of repairing the damaged Chinook is obvious, that's why the 'blimpkin' wants it to come in from the cold.


Now for the subtext: Why doesn't Ennesby want it coming in from the cold? What does Ennesby know that we don't?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:51 pm 
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evileeyore wrote:
Now for the subtext: Why doesn't Ennesby want it coming in from the cold? What does Ennesby know that we don't?

How did you conclude that Ennesby doesn't want the clean version of Chinook coming in? His messages seem to be very pragmatic about a rather immediate danger. "You're in danger, your position is compromised, and if you don't move, you're dead."

To me, it looks like Ennesby is focused on making sure Chinook can survive to be brought in, once the threat of incoming Long Gun fire has passed.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:36 pm 
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evileeyore wrote:
Krennson wrote:
The text seems pretty clear....

I'm not questioning the text, I'm questioning the subtext.

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Basic reasons why insane-chinook would be willing to kill icebox-chinook include:

That's presuming it wasn't the Ofans blowing it up.

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The Icebox's existence makes it easier to rehabilitate the insane-Chinook, which she doesn't want.

The crazy update message probably doesn't know that Chinook has been captured and thus locked out of the communication network.

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If the Icebox talks, it can tell everyone exactly how many Long Guns Chinook has, what method of hiding them she last used, and how she runs spotting operations.

That's not how intelligent guerrilla cell networks operate. Chinook was a very intelligent military operator, none of her isolated cells would have information on where any other isolated cells are.

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The Icebox may have useful information and backdoors for conducting ongoing psychological operations or outright hacking of insane-Chinook...

It's literally listed as a back-up. It's use of repairing the damaged Chinook is obvious, that's why the 'blimpkin' wants it to come in from the cold.


Now for the subtext: Why doesn't Ennesby want it coming in from the cold? What does Ennesby know that we don't?


Why would the Oafans try to blow up the Icebox? so far, they've been very careful to take the insane versions of Chinook alive, and attempt rehabilation of her.

I don't mean that the Icebox's existence makes it easier to rehabilitate the CAPTURED iterations of Chinook, I mean that it makes it easier to rehabilitate ANY iteration of Chinook, captured or not. And the insane Chinook has to suspect by now that either her original mainframe copy, at a mininum, has been captured, or that the Oafans will make at least a hypothetical effort to capture at least one version of Chinook in the future.


Prior to going insane, Chinook WASN'T a Guerilla network. She has to know how to communicate with her long guns in order to get them to fire, she has to know how to communicate with her spotters in order to pinpoint targets. She has to maintain ongoing patching communication to keep all active versions of herself operating on the same personality. That means that even if she doesn't SPECIFICALLY know where each long gun iteration of herself SPECIFICALLY is, she likely DOES know what sorts of directions they were given before splitting of to hide, and what sort of hiding spots they are pre-disposed to use. such as "generate a random number between 1 and 10,000 , go to that sector of deep space, and pick the nearest icy body to hide in." It's even possible that Chinook knew EXACTLY where all her long guns were, as of a few weeks ago, although obviously they would have random-walked since then.

And my point about backdoors and hacking is that if the Backup has copies of the software Chinook is running her brain on, including security keys, networking protocols, 2-man rules, one-time pads, time-delay meeting arrangments, etc, etc.... that information would be VERY useful for purposes of LAUNCHING A VIRUS ATTACK into the decentralized "mind" of Chinook. Or even just knowing which carrots and sticks are most likely to still work in order to convince Chinook to surrender.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:39 pm 
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evileeyore wrote:
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Basic reasons why insane-chinook would be willing to kill icebox-chinook include:

That's presuming it wasn't the Ofans blowing it up.

Crazy-Chinook saying "hold still" implies that she was the one firing the shot. She would not need Icebox-Chinook to hold still for a crucial update unless that "crucial update" was a shot to the main memory.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:16 pm 
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I think Ennesby and Blimpkin both want the icebox to come in, but Blimpkin is concerned Ennesby is just making the icebox more paranoid and likely to drop off the grid entirely.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:31 pm 
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evileeyore wrote:
That's presuming it wasn't the Ofans blowing it up.


Insane!Chinook yelling "HOLD STILL!" easily implies she fired the shot in the next panel, trying to kill the back-up version.

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The crazy update message probably doesn't know that Chinook has been captured and thus locked out of the communication network.


The crazy update message seems to be coming from one of Chinook's nodes. So while Chinook Prime might be locked out of the network, she still has some low-key presence and capability for action.

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That's not how intelligent guerrilla cell networks operate. Chinook was a very intelligent military operator, none of her isolated cells would have information on where any other isolated cells are.


And yet, this comic often runs on people who should know better because we've seen them know better, still grabbing the idiot ball for the week.

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It's literally listed as a back-up. It's use of repairing the damaged Chinook is obvious, that's why the 'blimpkin' wants it to come in from the cold.


To come in from the cold, she needs to survive.

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Now for the subtext: Why doesn't Ennesby want it coming in from the cold? What does Ennesby know that we don't?


All he knows is that Backup!Chinook is in immediate danger of being annihilated. He's trying to save the node that's still intact, sanity and all. He's also the only voice Backup!Chinook would recognize at this point, and she seems to trust him.

But, speculation: Ennesby doesn't want the Oafans to get a hold of her just yet, he wants to talk to Backup!Chinook himself, maybe bringing in Petey and Putzho, who would explain what had happened while she was sleeping, and maybe hopes that she trusts them enough to allow them the "therapy" that Insane!Chinook is rejecting out of hand. Plus, if Putzho rcan (or alreaady has) fixed the mainframe not to trigger a homicidal rampage whenever something traumatic happens to the AI occupying it, then they also have a sane version of Chinook that can be trusted and considers them friends. To Petey and the Oafans, Backup!Chinook is an "asset". To the Toughs, she's a "friend".

Well, hope we know in an hour and a half. All in all, I hope we can get the goddess of plumbing back. And that Petey's had enough humble pie to not aggravate everyone with his cold clinical calculations and arrogance.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:38 pm 
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Can we agree to call Ice-Box Chinook "Niña"?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:42 pm 
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grahamf wrote:
Can we agree to call Ice-Box Chinook "Niña"?



Where did that name come from?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:34 pm 
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Krennson wrote:
grahamf wrote:
Can we agree to call Ice-Box Chinook "Niña"?



Where did that name come from?


I'm presuming it's from the "La Niña" phase of oceanic weather patterns, counter to El Nino.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/ninonina.html

I like it though. It's thematic, (atmospheric weather) it hooks into "coming in from the cold".
It's got my vote.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:57 am 
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Motortiki wrote:
Crazy-Chinook saying "hold still" implies that she was the one firing the shot. She would not need Icebox-Chinook to hold still for a crucial update unless that "crucial update" was a shot to the main memory.

Agreed. It very much implies that.

I still think it's possible that the blimpkin fired on her.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:23 am 
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evileeyore wrote:
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Crazy-Chinook saying "hold still" implies that she was the one firing the shot. She would not need Icebox-Chinook to hold still for a crucial update unless that "crucial update" was a shot to the main memory.

Agreed. It very much implies that.

I still think it's possible that the blimpkin fired on her.

That's like saying the little old lady was possibly shot by a sniper and not the strange man next to her with a ski mask, gun, and her handbag.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:24 am 
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grahamf wrote:
That's like saying the little old lady was possibly shot by a sniper and not the strange man next to her with a ski mask, gun, and her handbag.

No, it's like saying the little old lady may have been shoot at by someone who has been kidnapping and shooting little old ladies, not by the crazy lunatic screaming at her who may or may not have a gun.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:06 am 
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We, the audience, know that the old-oafans passed up a "firing solution" on a different corvette because it wasn't a "solution".


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:23 am 
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Well, they didn't fire initially because they hoped that instance of crazy Chinook would surrender peacefully: https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2018-09-12

I think it's rather unlikely that the Oafa fired on Chinook in this case, though, because Ennesby seemed convinced that the icebox instance was in mortal peril, and even when the Oafa have used force, it was with sufficient precision to leave the target alive. Crazy Chinook, on the other hand, has many long guns at her disposal, reason to believe that the icebox instance could be used against her, and is the only one with the motivation to destroy rather than disable icebox Chinook's vessel.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:58 pm 
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Sean wrote:
We, the audience, know that the old-oafans passed up a "firing solution" on a different corvette because it wasn't a "solution".

What part of the strip in which they fire on the corvette is them not firing on the corvette?


Granted, they fired to subdue, but they still fired.


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evileeyore wrote:
Sean wrote:
We, the audience, know that the old-oafans passed up a "firing solution" on a different corvette because it wasn't a "solution".

What part of the strip in which they fire on the corvette is them not firing on the corvette?


Granted, they fired to subdue, but they still fired.

As the man (blimp) said, firing was an acceptable solution. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:21 am 
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Looks like Ennesby's game is "protect Chinook against all sides" and it looks like Putzhu roped him in for exactly that purpose.


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