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I hope this means she no longer needs his permission, and not the other thing.

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Poor Liz.

Karl is going directly to the "break the new soldier down", specifically "break her down into an officer".

Liz has had her "ask for permission" rights removed, because as someone with low confidence she has a pathological need to not have the blame be on her and be allowed to do things by others.

You can see traces of this all the way back from where "her salad nearly killed someone" back on Mall 1 where she nearly had a breakdown.

She now needs to act on her own initiative.

Of course, a Tough officer will sometimes not have time to ask for permission. She may need to tell Petey "Shoot UNS command NOW they are about to order a decapitation strike on all other world powers in the me next 5 seconds" and she cannot allow the luxury of having to talk it over with Tagon Senior.

It's the right step for old school officer training that Tagon Senior would do (like he traumatised Kaff) and I hate that it'll be traumatic for her.

Very good characterisation, though.


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turns out he is denying specific permissions because she already has blanket permissions. Se doesn't seem to like that.

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I'm just going to take this opportunity to point out that sotanaht and Reaver225 were both dead-on.


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Karl is going about this all wrong. She isn't an officer. She isnt military. She isn't even a real mercenary. She's a *cook* who they have forced into a command position with no desire to be in said command position but she's too polite and meek to say no.

She's only still there out of a sense of obligation and *friendship* and he's very, very quickly spending it all to make her into something she isn't and has no desire to be.

She's going to say 'screw this and screw all of you' if they keep this up.

And if she doesn't, then Howard has no idea how to write people who are easily bullied or guilted into doing things.

Not everybody is a secret badass who just needs to be forced into the element where they can shine.


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Kendrakirai, let's say you're right, that Liz really wants no part of this new position, but is reluctant to come right out and say so.

Well, so what? It's on Liz to pull up her big girl pants and say she doesn't want the job, and until she does (or gets fired), she's going to have to do her best and learn as she goes. She may crash and burn spectacularly, it's true. But she may also surprise everyone and learn to shine - just because you didn't in a similar situation doesn't mean she can't either.

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I just want to point out that Liz isn't being asked to do anything she wasn't doing before.

She has a history of opening her mouth around officers that wayy outrank her, and telling them off. Karl Tagon could punish her for it (which would make him a bad commander, cause those officers needed to be told off), or he could promote her to an appropriate rank, and make it official.

How he's going about it might be wrong, but what he's actually asking for is reasonable. Karl Tagon isn't asking her to do anything she hasn't already done; he's just asking her to do it more often, and do so in a more official capacity.


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New comic is up, and I'm happier with how Karl has handled this. Looks like he led with the stick, and now he's showing her the carrot.


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Ahhh, yes, Karl just got hoisted on his own petard. What goes around comes around, etc.


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So . . . is his last line in response to the timing, or the speaker?

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