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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:23 am 
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"I can't say this is an offer because I've got to be able to deny it," Kerry told his friend. "But you've got to do this." To show just how sincere he was, he made an outlandish offer. If McCain said yes, he would expand the role of vice president to include secretary of Defense and the overall control of foreign policy. (The deal was reminiscent of the so-called co-presidency offered to Gerald Ford by Ronald Reagan at the 1980 Republican convention; the suggestion fell apart of its own weight.) McCain exclaimed, "You're out of your mind. I don't even know if it's constitutional, and it certainly wouldn't sell."


Why is there any doubt that Kerry's chewy center was made to the exact same razor-blade filled specifications that Bush's was?

They were both created by the US political machine, and they're both bad.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:12 pm 
BBlalock wrote:
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"I can't say this is an offer because I've got to be able to deny it," Kerry told his friend. "But you've got to do this." To show just how sincere he was, he made an outlandish offer. If McCain said yes, he would expand the role of vice president to include secretary of Defense and the overall control of foreign policy. (The deal was reminiscent of the so-called co-presidency offered to Gerald Ford by Ronald Reagan at the 1980 Republican convention; the suggestion fell apart of its own weight.) McCain exclaimed, "You're out of your mind. I don't even know if it's constitutional, and it certainly wouldn't sell."

Why is there any doubt that Kerry's chewy center was made to the exact same razor-blade filled specifications that Bush's was?

They were both created by the US political machine, and they're both bad.

If its actually true, it sounds like one of the overwrought negotiating ploys that pops up every election cycle. Kerry is a security and foreign policy specialist in the senate; both he and McCain would know that it wouldn't work out that way in the end. No biggee.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:52 pm 
Berken wrote:
If its actually true, it sounds like one of the overwrought negotiating ploys that pops up every election cycle. Kerry is a security and foreign policy specialist in the senate; both he and McCain would know that it wouldn't work out that way in the end. No biggee.


Newsweek was reporting it. Have they got a reputation of making stories up out of nothing?

Are there any examples of this sort of negotiating ploy working?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:14 pm 
BBlalock wrote:
Berken wrote:
If its actually true, it sounds like one of the overwrought negotiating ploys that pops up every election cycle. Kerry is a security and foreign policy specialist in the senate; both he and McCain would know that it wouldn't work out that way in the end. No biggee.

Newsweek was reporting it. Have they got a reputation of making stories up out of nothing?

They get bad sources on occasion, but not that often, and its real easy to get the context and subjective parts wrong. Even worse, they sometimes print sections of Bob Woodward books, which are not much better than historical fiction. He gets the words right on quotes but his subjective stuff (emotion, internal emphasis, etc.) are often very questionable. Newsweek used to have higher standards. Sigh.
BBlalock wrote:
Are there any examples of this sort of negotiating ploy working?

Given that it is part of the negotiating process and never an end result, one could say so. I do recall that in both Reagan elections, there was talk of the #2 man on the ticket being a "co-president," someone who could compensate for Reagan's lack of experience by running foreign affairs for him (I dimly recall both Gerald Ford and George H. Bush in that discussion.) Ronny didn't go for it, in the long run, and eventually made George H. always stand behind him so he would look shorter than the president.


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