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Poll ended at Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:00 pm
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:00 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:27 pm 
What, exactly, would be the ramifications of dumping the database? Is there anything that couldn't be remade/replaced with a modicum of effort?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:26 pm 
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When we say "dumping the database" we mean just that. Dropping it on the floor and walking away.

The major ramification of starting new or "dumping the database" is that people would have to re-register their nicknames and channels. As well as setup their access lists, channel modes, and any other settings they had before.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:06 pm 
Don't know anything about access lists or channel modes, so unless registering a channel is significantly harder than registering a nick, or one of those access lists or chanel modes things is really complex... go for it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:19 am 
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Dump 'em. Just give a few days' notice before you do, if that's possible.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:42 am 
I agree, a clean slate on the database would likely be better for the network, even if it means a moment of discomfort to get nicks and channels reregged.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:25 am 
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Nuke it from orbit.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:55 pm 
Hmmm. Maybe you could just have something akin to a "click here from the channel/nick to prove it's still active"? That way it'd save some of the people using it headache from having to go back and re-adjust everything, especially if they were new when they set everything up.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:50 pm 
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Given a little time alone with the system I could probably pull decent amounts of the data through the IRC services interface. I'd likely do that sort of thing on request as opposed to a big fancy automated deathmachine, though.

Automatically rebuilding the service database for the nicer new system is very difficult if not impossible, which is why we describe it as dropping the old database. For this reason even "confirm!" doesn't really work.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:04 pm 
I d'know... I don't mind reestablishing the settings and access lists for my own channels, but I'm not looking forward to having all /my/ permissions in other's channels being reset. Not everyone's likely to be as on-the-ball about resetting things, or even recording what they were before they're lost.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:42 pm 
If the current database is in a standard format and has a record of the "last access time" for each nick/channel, why not just drop "old" channels/nicks, and then create a separate script that ports the whole database into the new services format, if necessary? At the very least, dropping unused nicknames and channels could help out quite a bit in making the database considerably smaller (and thus easier to transfer to a new format, if desired).

If the current database is not in a standard format, then I'd vote for nuking it (although I just barely got here, so my say doesn't really have any bearing at all -- just trying to be helpful :P).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:50 pm 
Ah, ok. Makes sense :) Thanks for the detailed description :)


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:03 pm 
Personally we'd go with dump the database. Won't take long for us to register our channels and whatever again and there're new features and stuff. Go for it.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:00 pm 
I vote for nuking.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:10 pm 
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Thank you everyone for your votes and input.

In light with your votes on this poll we will be going with Option 2 (Dumping the databases).

So this is your first notice that the databases will be dumped on, or the day before, September 12, 2009. We will be maintaining a list of all nick/channel registrations for a limited time afterwards as to deal with problems and other issues that might occur.

We will be sending out notices on the network 2 weeks before the event and another a few days before the event.

There will be plenty more than just new services on Nightstar. But we'll leave it at that for now...

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