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 Post subject: Schlock Cryptologist #2
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2002 5:20 am 
Code:
eanaononutneetea
ttaoonuastuoosua
ontetauhuneotata
ehhonnanhnteehsa
atouasunuosuotuo
usoeaneattnehnto
hneuossseshehnoe
anohhnuesshessue
ohooeaoteanetute
uauaetnhuhhootah
ahhehntthhhetssh
hntettthehtenutt
anuoosuosnuoaehn
aneuanhnnnahouet
oseteohaonettunn
hnueosueuenhooue
eahatututuneeaso
hntennanotaohoeh
shhehhetuteetaon
nhuuunetaneuuuhh
osueetunhseaueet
steeutntannonetn
anuhoesaosunsuht
ssuentuehneonuss
eatoonhheaoseatn
htaoonhtnueseuua
onuushnntataeooh
saahnhsanthnsaes
unouunennthnnouo
nntoushsestonote
sshehnntnssssues
ueehantnnntnueha
htsotueaattunetu
ehhoonohehonaust
ntueatnttataseuh
onnoansauhsttesa
onuounnsethnuosu
htnotonnstotnoat
oetunsaahnesoeha
haehnaueusonshos
tuaestshahtnuooh
uteoonutuauasast
untahhntunatnuta
sanuntasothnsaeu
utheasuoetuouuhn
osohtaatanotsuua
hnousutttssnahoe
enueehhsuehsouha
stseneonahunuohh
hnneuaonehnhsenu
athseetathtttaun
tnaehutnnhateuhs
ttuonottunuoaeas
toestehteshsouto
ssanaooeanustues
tnenueoaaauehuea
ohosuoohosthaent
nhuauastaouteoua
onoohuahtuehtaoh
saanaoonaoanuunn
hnuonuhnnoenaeas
osnetoosohansuan
stoehusstuoseeos
enushuoohthnuhen
ntohaeutoseaoest
usehsasthoontean
tauhtatathhhouta
sasaneehsaunsaon
uoosoeshnsnhhoon
tonntonnnnsnehat


Same rules as the first, this code contains the complete text of one schlock mercenary comic. Your task is to identify which one. This one may or may not be linear like the first.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2002 9:28 pm 
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What exactly do you mean by linear, by the way?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 1:10 am 
well, in this case, it doesn't matter because it may or may not be linear. ;)

but, in the last puzzle, i actually meant in english style, left to right, doesn't matter about vertical alignment or any other such thing. Purely one dimensional.

So, i guess i'm saying that it is possible for the spacing to matter in this one, unlike the last one, where the spacing did not matter one bit.
Aka, every row in this has 16 symbols, the 5th symbol in every line is directly in line with the 5th symbol in every other line, and so forth. weither this comes into play in the code or not, you will have to determine.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 1:20 am 
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Ah. Understood. I shall do my best.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 3:53 am 
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Groovy, it's another octal cipher...

Code:
A 130 12%  B 0 0%  C 0 0%     D 0 0%     E 139 12% 
F 0 0%     G 0 0%  H 134 12%  I 0 0%     J 0 0% 
K 0 0%     L 0 0%  M 0 0%     N 171 15%  O 141 13% 
P 0 0%     Q 0 0%  R 0 0%     S 118 11%  T 148 13% 
U 139 12%  V 0 0%  W 0 0%     X 0 0%     Y 0 0%     Z 0 0%


Again, only 8 symbols used.

okay so here's a couple possibilities I've come up with
each character is represented by 2 symbols, for 8^8 possible characters... or each character is represented by 4 symbols or 8^^8 possible characters - this seems overkill.
so assume 2 symbols/character... either they're arranged horizontally, i.e. the first line is ea na on on ut ne et ea
or vertically, so the first line is et at na ao oo nn ou na us tt nu eo eo ts eu aa

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 4:58 am 
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okay so I divided it into 2-symbol groups horizontally, and from there converted the 2-symbol groups to 1-symbol groups (i.e. letters)... but I stopped converting at 36 uniques... So we can only assume that each character in the plaintext is *NOT* composed of two characters horizontally.

Need to make a list of the 2-symbol groups vertically... i.e. first symbol from first and second lines, second symbol from first and second lines, etc ad infinitum. There are 70 lines in the ciphertext.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:13 am 
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Okay, here's what I have so far... I don't think each character is a 2-symbol group arranged vertically (pos 1, line 1 & 2, pos 2, line 1 & 2, etc)...

Raif converted the ciphertext to 2-symbol groups vertically like this... and I converted the first 26 unique 2-symbol groups to single letters... Here's what I got.

Code:
a b c d e f g c h i j k k l m n o p q k r s t u v f a o w x l n y l e z n sn z c ut ot sn z oh r ut e ha f k v oh sn su se es ss hh ee hs ns g ee g ha g oa ee b on q m x p k to ut ta eh x u ht ee ht nt i q he hh ht ee r su st ht n f z g oa sn v on sn f t oh d m he nt oh sn m w k os hu ae g ne en q to uo j ne eh s ht ae r un ta un to ut c k eh d se oh sn hh hu m hu u ee i t r ee m tu y oh p os st z ee m i un nt ha sn en d un ee a r as ns uu he on a su ae oh sn z no sn uu hs l eh b ta e e f hh ht en y o ss ee y tu c os c t v sn hh ns c r b q s es oa o hs un f ot uo uu ns eh ns ne l ht no f e ut o su se he eh ha f nt r f sn st sn su z eh sa he q sh e to un k x ae q to un c m l ut no r un k n r ns ta tu x l b st ee h ha oh nt un e ut no f sn es i ho nt un e sa ut oh ea w v f sa y ae hu ns k sn os eh ho as tu ut ae k so r su ht y ha tu c h oa os ht h c r y u ht c l uo nt x r ns t w y uo l ho eh b sa t ot ea r uo ot h uu hu c he f g z se v q l tu se sh ns d hu oh ea sh r sn ee j ea e f ae hh un p h o u hu b r ha se eh m i s r hh ta i w y v ns i to z os nt o q i z ns v os d m b so st sn ae f y o e ea n c uu se q uu ee sa on hh g sa uu oa os ht oa so tu ht ae k j ta os c oa on ha uo d u ta uo ea u tu y on u ho ns un o nt uo ho ns no oh ea f as m n sn se r g es hh uu so so q ut oh sn m eh o sn j l o hh as ea h i oh so k s ot ee sa r l n h ha r ae w x l ha hu u os t to s ut e on sn ot k sn u f sn ns u he oh oa nt


As you can see, there are far more unique groups in this analysis than there are English letters... Too many to account for punctuation...

Back to the drawing board!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 1:54 pm 
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This is quite a puzzlement...unfortunately, as I have work for most of the week, I don't think I can devote much time to it...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 7:56 pm 
If it helps any, the first clue is up in about 5 hours or so. (a little short of 48, but I need to sleep early tonight.)


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:43 am 
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Perhaps Kaz has deviously hit upon the idea of a homophonic cipher...one in which the more common letters get more than one symbol. Thus, e could have several different symbols, or, in this case, digraphs (two-letter groups), while uncommon letters like q or z would just get one. With 8 letters, there's 64 possible digraphs...plenty for some extra letters.

By the way, if you haven't hit upon that idea, yet, Kaz, don't use it, 'cause deciphering those things is a (pardon my English) bitch.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:37 am 
Hmmmmmm facinating.

Anyway, The time for the hint has come.

Looking at the following, you may notice something about our friendly neighbourhood letters, may I present, the Dvorak keyboard layout.

Code:
',.pyfgcrl/=
aoeuidhtns-
;qjkxbmwvz


being lazy, i like my letters to be all in a nice sequential row... :)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 10:40 am 
nobody commenting on that? or the fact that all the letters in the thing are
aoeu htns?
0123 4567? ;)
have fun.


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 Post subject: Dead forum..
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:16 pm 
i guess i'll hand out three clues at once.

First, it may be easier if you mirror the code. (so the first line would be
aeteentunonoanae

then apply the 01234567=aoeuhtns change..

025226361610603

note: there's 8 spaces at the beginning of the code, and the end is padded out with spaces.

when i get home i'll post the whole code mirrored and as numbers.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2002 1:01 am 
I was actually thinking of doing something like this, if this is what I think it is.
I figure when we have the numbers to look at, we'll either have numbers 01 through 26, or not. I'm guessing not, because of the remarkably even distribution of the eight letters - 11 to 15 percent each, and the letters for 0, 1, and 2 would show up much more if we had 01 through 26 to work with.

If not, I reckon that:
a) we have numbers 01 through 32, 32 being 26 in base 8, or
b) we need to convert to binary, and then break into groups of five to retrieve the letters, and perform simple cryptanalysis on that.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:54 am 
Wierd, I coulda sworn I posted another message last night....

Code:
0252265361610602
0371135703611055
0505126343052561
0742256460661442
1351371363703150
1564265502602173
2164247277713264
2377247723644160
2535260251021141
4051144346520303
4775244455642440
5536254245552564
6420136713711360
5231406664603260
6635526104125271
2311462323712364
1702263535350402
4214105160662564
6105225352442447
4433326052633346
5223027463522371
6526166056532257
5437637107214360
7736126423562377
6502710244611502
0332723654611054
4112050566473361
7207645607464007
1316645662633163
2516157274731566
7237777656642477
0423656665604223
3526355002351754
5730614241611442
4327050556502356
0725574307601661
3713645276631361
5016515766151654
0421726400763521
7147617323064204
4113654047572035
5707030353611253
0536506356440563
3207645170563607
6433135213702453
0337516050054171
2140677555373164
0431742374422362
4413634061262757
3627464261032664
6305554505227450
7432504665342065
7020136355161355
1531747254257215
7235736021106077
0234230001236265
5620457141137141
0312531057030346
4105423540341161
6633601061106007
7020621664361364
6037604171152671
7122713577342157
6243645411347362
5721027153204156
6025611457074273
0531444505054305
6107630742260707
6114467647217113
5042676666156615


here's the code for your convenience...

mirrored and translated.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2002 4:03 am 
3 more days of silence...
btw, it's 2 numbers to one charicter, each charicter is solely on one line.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 1:45 pm 
Kazriko wrote:

Code:
0252265361610602
0371135703611055
0505126343052561
0742256460661442
1351371363703150
1564265502602173
2164247277713264
2377247723644160
2535260251021141



Sigh, i think this topic is dead...

Anyway... Look at the left column.
02
03
05
07
13
15
21
23
This is the first 8 in the code. Remember how i said it had 8 spaces for padding at the beginnging?
now what are all these converted to decimal....
2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19
BTW, The pattern goes by row, and repeats every 8 rows..

(i really tried to encode the solution in it..... oh well.)


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