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...except when you consider a fetus to be a person. In which case it is murder, not just a personal choice. Rape and failed birth control are irrelevant in that case.


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Wow. Last post was in December. This really isn't a heavily-trafficked forum, is it?

Let's get this out of the way:
I'm Catholic. (Keep reading.)
I don't believe that the Earth was created in six days.
I do believe in the theory of evolution.
I do believe in a God, though I believe that if it does, in fact, intelligently alter the workings of the Universe, it does not bother to do so on such a femtoscopic level as is occupied by human affairs.
I believe that if an afterlife exists, it is probably closer to Nirvana than the Heaven and Hell of St. John's Revelation.
I do NOT believe that God punishes people for not strictly adhering to the rules of one particular religion -- or, for that matter, of any religion.
My morality is largely based on my belief in the preservation and betterment of human life. I am against killing people under any circumstances -- that includes death row inmates.

I believe that a fetus is a living human being. Granted, I have little evidence to support this belief, other than the fact that they eventually grow into feeling, breathing, thinking individuals. And it's quite probable that these attributes can't be ascribed to a zygote. The question, as has already been stated, is "when does the mass of fetal tissue become said thinking individual?" Despite our advanced imaging technology and vast knowledge base on thought and sapience, and though I champion rathional thought and empiricism, I don't believe that any amount of anatomical or behavioral evidence can definitively determine when an embryo becomes a person. And as I'm one to err on the side of caution, I'd like the bright line to be drawn at conception rather than at birth.

Furthermore, I'm all for personal freedom. A woman's body is hers to do with whatever she chooses. Though self-destructive behavior is tragic and a personally sensitive topic for me, an individual is ultimately responsible for his or her own life, it is fully within a woman's rights to do what she wishes to herself, as long as she does not harm anyone else in the process. However, a fetus is not simply an organ in a woman's body. Even as a zygote, it is comprised of genetically foreign tissue and requires a complex hormonal balance in the uterus to prevent the mother's immune system. If there is an improper hormonal balance, the fetus is spontaneously naturally aborted. This would suggest that a fetus is a foreign organism dependent on the mother for nutrition (as was so cynically stated earlier, a parasite), which, given the proper prenatal environment, will develop into a fully-formed human child. Hence I believe that a mother is responsible not only for her own life, but for the life that depends on her, and has no more right to end it than she does to dash an infant's brains out.

Of course, people commit surprising violations of their moral codes in the face of emotional trauma. If a loved one of mine were threatened by a pregnancy, it's possible that I would support an abortion to save her life. Conversely, I know a pro-choice couple who had a funeral for their miscarried (early 2nd-trimester) child. People sometimes find that their worldview shifts in such a way that they make exceptions to their morality.

I have come to these conclusions largely by my own thought processes. They were influenced by my upbringing and the morals and teachings instilled by my family, and, to a lesser extent, society and my religion. However, due to my animosity toward hypocrisy and self-serving exceptions to a rule, over the years I have rejected many of the moral tenets of these systems, broken down others through deductive reasoning, and have built my own system of morality based on what I have perceived as the underlying immutable principles. Of course, because I try to logically justify my principles I am still conflicted about many (perhaps most) of them, and as I am still young they are likely to change with my maturing worldview. However, even though I have caught flak from other members of my community, political party and religion, my morals and views will not change as a result of the imposition of someone else’s will on me.

Such is the impasse of this debate.


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Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
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Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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