Kodiak Claw wrote:
Actually no wait, an algorithm has a coresponding end state to a given starting condition. That doesn't fit.
I'll just post the log, for the sake of other people.
[13:26] Kodiak_Claw: what did you think?
[13:26] Anh_Minh: The bit about FP? Didn't understand what FP was.
[13:26] Anh_Minh: Or what your point was.
[13:26] Kodiak_Claw: allright I need to be more explicit in my introduction then
[13:27] Anh_Minh: Or what you meant by "theory".
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[13:27] Anh_Minh: Or even what Gerald meant by "algorythm".
[13:27] Anh_Minh: *algorithm
[13:27] Kodiak_Claw: hmm, I should also specifically mention that I'm arguing against Churchland's idea that FP is a theory
[13:28] Kodiak_Claw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithm
[13:28] TCO: You basically talking about why people act they way they do? Like the reasons behind them stealing things?
[13:28] Kodiak_Claw: that's one example
[13:28] Anh_Minh: I know what an algorithm is.
[13:29] Anh_Minh: I just don't know why FP is one.
[13:29] Kodiak_Claw: It isn't
[13:29] Gerald: FP is trying to develop a set of theories.
[13:29] Gerald: You go through it and you develop the set, perhaps all possible sets.
[13:29] Kodiak_Claw: An algorithm has a coresponding end state with a given starting point
[13:29] Anh_Minh: Unless you mean that FP states that every action is motivated by reasons 1,2,3 and 4.
[13:30] Kodiak_Claw: or maybe I'm misinterpreting the definition of an algorithm
[13:30] Gerald: Lets say you have a vector, x by 4.
[13:30] Anh_Minh: With you so far.
[13:30] Gerald: With each column corresponding to one of the motives,
[13:30] Gerald: Each row to the theory.
[13:30] Kodiak_Claw: no, FP produces a mass amount of potential motives, or potential actions resulting from a given motive
[13:30] Anh_Minh: A matrix, then, not a vector.
[13:31] Gerald: Yeah, sorry.
[13:31] Gerald: Well, you can take FP to generate theories, having 1 in the mn corresponding to it was a motive, 0 if it wasn't a motive.
[13:31] Anh_Minh: I see.
[13:31] Gerald: And if you go through and evaluate 1, 0, 0, 0, then 1, 1, 0, 0, won't you eventually get all possible theories?
[13:31] Kodiak_Claw: so an algorithm doesn't have to produce a finite number of results?
[13:32] Anh_Minh: So... It's just basic combinatorics? What's the point?
[13:32] Gerald: More than just combinatorics.
[13:32] Kodiak_Claw: Didn't I specifically say that the four possibilities I gave are not the only four?
[13:32] Gerald: Yeah, but you could add more possibilites to the inputs
[13:32] Anh_Minh: If you can count in base 2, you're a master in FP?
[13:33] Gerald: And the combinatorics ain't just it, say, there are some that are mutally exclusive.
[13:33] Gerald: You don't put those in the matrix
[13:34] Anh_Minh: Still looks like a big word for something of little... what's the word? Reach?
[13:34] Gerald: Well, yeah
[13:34] Gerald: But I think looking it at that way, it's the classifcation.
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[13:35] Gerald: It's not a theory.
[13:35] Gerald: It's generating theories.
[13:35] Gerald: If you look at it a certain way, it could generate all possible theories given a set of motives.
[13:35] Anh_Minh: Theories in the sense of guesses, not scientific theories.
[13:35] Gerald: Yeah
[13:35] Gerald: I guess hypothesises work better.
[13:36] Anh_Minh: Well, I can agree that FP is neither a guess nor a scientific theory.
[13:36] Anh_Minh: Not quite sure what it is. :-\
[13:37] Gerald: Well, if you think algorithm is too strong, maybe geneator works.
[13:37] Gerald: *generator
[13:37] Anh_Minh: I just don't understand the method.
[13:37] Anh_Minh: "Trying everything to see if it fits" is an algorithm of sorts.
[13:38] Gerald: Yeah
[13:38] Anh_Minh: But it's nothing to write home about.
[13:38] Anh_Minh: On those encouraging words, I go eat and wish you good luck.