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 Post subject: Self-Awareness
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:39 pm 
What is Self-awareness?

No circular definitions allowed.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:48 pm 
Subject is aware that it's an individual and has the ability to differentiate between itself and others. Part of that would probably include a good understanding of its own properties/capabilities and its (soft/wet)ware.

More importantly, ability to make decisions based on these understandings would be a good indicator.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:46 pm 
Raif wrote:
Subject is aware that it's an individual and has the ability to differentiate between itself and others. Part of that would probably include a good understanding of its own properties/capabilities and its (soft/wet)ware.

More importantly, ability to make decisions based on these understandings would be a good indicator.


In other words, aware of self, or lemme see, uhm, self-aware?

/me watchs Raif chase his tail.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:51 pm 
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Vorpal Bunny Slipper
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Ah, semantic masturbation, the cornerstone of philosophy.

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Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:52 pm 
hehehehehehe


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:38 pm 
Most of life is one kind of masturbation or another.

Pronto: I also defined what I meant by individual, so nyah. Try again. :)


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:44 am 
Ability to laugh


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:22 pm 
You can make a machine whose only purpose is to laugh at random intervals. Doesn't work.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:24 pm 
I have never heard a machine laugh with a good joke, must be me. Or those random intervals.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:29 pm 
Doesn't mean that one can't be made. For that matter, you having never heard one doesn't mean it can't already exist.

And good jokes are subjective. I've found that old saw, "You can tell a man's character by what he laughs at," to be very true. What's funny depends on who's observing.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:22 pm 
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Raif wrote:
What's funny depends on who's observing.


Or who's being observed.

*points and laughs at Raif*

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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:06 pm 
I thought we discussed that you wouldn't put cameras in my apartment anymore.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:11 pm 
Raif wrote:
I thought we discussed that you wouldn't put cameras in my apartment anymore.


Technically, he didn't.

(Which reminds me, jeremiah, you owe me fifty bucks.)


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:14 pm 
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Animal wrote:
Technically, he didn't.

(Which reminds me, jeremiah, you owe me fifty bucks.)


$40. The video quality was terrible.

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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:15 pm 
jeremiahsmith wrote:
Animal wrote:
Technically, he didn't.

(Which reminds me, jeremiah, you owe me fifty bucks.)


$40. The video quality was terrible.


Hey, you supplied the cameras.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:55 pm 
New policy: Nobody places cameras in my apartment. And you should be charging Jer at least double, since I've hired a guard fish who's pretty mean with an MP5.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:03 pm 
Raif wrote:
New policy: Nobody places cameras in my apartment. And you should be charging Jer at least double, since I've hired a guard fish who's pretty mean with an MP5.


I brought a can of Bat-Shark-Repellent.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:48 am 
Ah, but you haven't met my friend the.. uh... space amoeba! *shifty eye*


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:39 pm 
I fail to see how you can avoid a circular definition of a phrase like 'self aware'.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:28 pm 
Heh, see the dictionary definition:
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 self-aware
       adj : aware of yourself as an individual or of your own being and
             actions and thoughts; "self-conscious awareness";
             "self-conscious about their roles as guardians of the
             social values"- D.M.Potter [syn: self-conscious]


What about the concept is unclear, Gerald? If you're trying to find a line at which one can seperate what is/isn't self-aware, I don't think you will. This, like many philisophical notions, seems a "Know It When You See It" thing.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:23 am 
Raif wrote:
Heh, see the dictionary definition:
Code:
 self-aware
       adj : aware of yourself as an individual or of your own being and
             actions and thoughts; "self-conscious awareness";
             "self-conscious about their roles as guardians of the
             social values"- D.M.Potter [syn: self-conscious]


What about the concept is unclear, Gerald? If you're trying to find a line at which one can seperate what is/isn't self-aware, I don't think you will. This, like many philisophical notions, seems a "Know It When You See It" thing.


Sort of like pornography.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:49 am 
Raif wrote:
Heh, see the dictionary definition:
Code:
 self-aware
       adj : aware of yourself as an individual or of your own being and
             actions and thoughts; "self-conscious awareness";
             "self-conscious about their roles as guardians of the
             social values"- D.M.Potter [syn: self-conscious]


What about the concept is unclear, Gerald? If you're trying to find a line at which one can seperate what is/isn't self-aware, I don't think you will. This, like many philisophical notions, seems a "Know It When You See It" thing.


I'm more of wondering if the thing actually exists, and it might just be a term that we say exists cause it makes warm and fuzzy feelings.

Similiar to free-will and souls.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:54 am 
Self awareness: the ability to have warm and fuzzy feelings.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:20 am 
Gerald wrote:
I'm more of wondering if the thing actually exists, and it might just be a term that we say exists cause it makes warm and fuzzy feelings.

Similiar to free-will and souls.

Are definitions the place to look? We can clearly define both of those, and their existence is debatable.


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