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The corporations-as-feudal-nations idea is pretty prevalent in cyberpunk fiction.


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One Difference Corporations are only responsible to their stockholders (theoretically
Government is responsible to all the voters (Riiight)


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That is true. While it makes them far more powerful than any ordinary citizen, it still doesn't make them anything more than a special interest group. Is NOW a feudal society? ;)

They COULD use their lobbying powers to try and become quasi-independent 'nations', but that would mean abandoning their narrow mission. Corps don't want tot ake on the responsibilities of government(ie costs)

So, they try to get rid of government restrictions on them, and try to make the government restrict others in ways that benefit them, so they don't have to do it. Corps see themselves as a nation's most valuable citizens, after all. *g*


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The way I see it you have three major differences between governments and megacorporations

1. You can leave a corporation, or even just never join one. This may not be a very good option. But the fact its an option at all is a major difference from a government.

2. Typically governments are more interested in power than in money. (that one was already mentioned)

3. Corporations are subserviant to government. And frewuently reley on the government for any actuall exercise of power. (Note that I don't actually aee a difference between putting a gun to someones head and telling them to give you all your money, and suing them, thereby getting the government to do it for you.) That comes down to corporations not having their own armies, also noted above.

Aside from those differences from a fuedal system specifically don't seem all that apparent. Corporations aren't quite as nepotistic though. And while corporations have the same layered autocracy. (Pyramid structure, whatever the proper term is). The top level isn't concentrated in the hands of one person with no-one to answer too. Except in very rare cases a CEO has to have some co-operation from the board. And in the end they all have to answer to the stockholders. Even democratic governemnts frequently don't bother to answer for the things they do. At least not until the people who actually did them are long gone.



This doesn't relate to the topic directly, but someone brought it up. As far as corporations having short term goals goes:

This is unfortanuatly , though not universally, true. Japanese corporations have always been willing to spend money on long term research, especially anything with a good risk-reward ratio. And one of the reasons they have been so brutally effective in international markets is a willingness to take a short term loss in exchange for long term profits. A handful of companies in the US (IBM, HP to name a couple) have been involved in long term research for some time. And other companies have begun getting involved. The amount of money oil companies are putting into alternate energy research these days is impressive. Which is a nice change from then trying to surpress that kind of research. That's actually a really forward looking research as well, since the oil companies have 20 years before they go under. If nothing comes up that can effectively replace oil.


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