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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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Deuteronomy 29:19
'If anyone should think to himself, "I will do well enough if I follow the dictates of my heart,"...

Deuteronomy 29:20
'...Yahweh will not pardon him. His wrath shall burn against him


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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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Actually, the point which I forgot to add :drinking: , was why did god bother to include free will in the "design package", if he intends to punish it so harshly.

I would recommend to you the www.bricktestament.com. I think you will enjoy it. I know I have.

In a way your response has flattered me, Jeremiah. It has to be one of the longest, most interesting and most coherent responses I have ever received on the internet. Unfortuneatly, the effort is largely moot, as I already agree with your positions, but I must say your analysis of the Matrix and the Star Trek plot devices was masterful.

Good post.

But since the this text window is open I wonder if you would mind if I ran a ethical situation I am currently experiencing past you.

There is this woman, who I have now know for 6 years. I have always been attracted to this woman, and I believe there is also some attraction from her side. However, until recently she has been involved in relationships with others. So nothing could happen as a result.

Now onto the issue itself. She belongs to a fundamentalist christian church. I consider myself a "professional sceptic". So something of a problem. I have no problem with her faith, but some of the beliefs that other members of her church have given her (such as the convincing that a great many things are satanic or evil, including Harry Potter, that AIDS is an invented disease and that the illuminati/free mason conspiracy controls the world) worry me. I am not sure if these are actual doctrine points, or simply the beliefs of individuals.

But there are also some of the doctrine points of the faith that I find abhorrent, such as the subordination of females to the male.

It seems that she is very vulnarable to manipulation, and is not a critical thinker. Few people in my country are. But this religion is very important for her, and it is how she deals with what sometimes seems to be a very harsh reality.

Now for the ethical decision I need to take. Can I justify stripping her of the "comfort zone" she has found in religion or in her other beliefs.

I could justify it by saying that the "truth is worth it", but is it really. And is it possible in our postmodernist age to even really know the truth, especially with the advances in propoganda techniques and "spin" that have recently been made.

So in short, how can I take from her that which seems to make her happy but exposes her to harm, and replace it with something that might make her unhappy and in the end still cause her harm. So in short, will I help or will I harm.

I have waffled on making a decision for a while now, but it seems that she is getting more fervent every day. The thing is, she is a genuinely good person and I fear for her safety and I do not know if there is anything I can do?


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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.


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