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A current documentary claims he wasn't. Of course, this documentary is prompted by the bestseller The Da Vinci Code, which makes the same claim. It's the claim that the Priory of Sion has promoted for ages, that Jesus had children by Mary Magdalene, who escaped with them to France where they founded the Merovingian dynasty. You can also read about it in The Templar Revelation.

This is one of those old vaguely Templar-related conspiracy theories that isn't really supported by any evidence, just a lot of rumor. Support for the theory that I've seen (the aforementioned Templar Revelation) consists of bringing out a lot of weird, sort of weird, or just obscure facts and weaving tenuous and complicated connections between them until the audience loses track of what may or may not connect to what, and then claiming that it has been proven (or that the support is at least "eerily suggestive").

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—— Karim Rashad, in rec.martial-arts

I'm not convinced.

But it is an interesting thought experiment

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Ah Idunno. It's not like I think it's an offensive idea or anything. (I don't see what would be wrong with the idea.) But I don't see the need for it. It's like the moon-hoax arguments you keep hearing about- the truth proposed is more complex than the current accepted truth and does not explain anything suspicious about the current truth. Why believe this story when the current one works fine?

I saw something on that on T.V, and I read 15 pages of the Da Vinci Code. I don't know about anyone else, but I think I'd like it if that theory were true.

I remember watching some old movie about Jesus with my mom when I was young (I think it was Jesus Christ superstar) and then afterwards asking my mom if Jesus was crusified for having sex with Mary Magdalene. This was back when I didn't really understand why he was crusified.

I've never understood why some people get so offended at the idea of Christ having sex. Why wouldn't he? He was, after all, human. That's the whole point of the Messiah, isn't it - God coming to earth as a human to set an example?

I think there's a bit of confusion on this point. I believe many assume that Christ was celibate because clergymen (Catholic clergymen, anyway) are expected to be so. The fact, however, is that the law of celibacy was imposed after the Church came to power as a method of keeping costs down (no families to support). Besides, Christ wasn't Catholic, or even Christian - he was a Jew. And Jewish clergy is allowed to have sex.

Really, there doesn't seem to be any evidence either way. And whether Jesus was celibate or not is really a side issue. What matters (aside from his existance in the first place, which is a matter for a whole different debate) is the work that he did and the lessons that he taught.

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"Vox populi? Vox humbug!"
- William Tecumseh Sherman

The only lesson I ever took from the story of Jesus was: Even gods get crucified for being good.

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The great trouble with a religion, any religion, is that a religionist, having accepted certain propositions by faith, cannot thereafter judge those propositions by evidence. One may bask at the warm fires of faith or choose to live in the bleak uncertainty of reason, but one cannot have both.

Robert A Heinlein (As Hartley M Baldwin, in Friday)

Okay, then, the lessons people choose to perceive. You know, stuff like "deny me three times for 30 pieces of silverfish and bread." Or something like that - I never payed all that much attention in Sunday school myself.

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"Vox populi? Vox humbug!"
- William Tecumseh Sherman

I did. But I had a sexy sunday-school teacher.

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A religion is sometimes a source of happiness and I would not deprive anyone of happiness. But it is a comfort appropriate for the weak.
The great trouble with a religion, any religion, is that a religionist, having accepted certain propositions by faith, cannot thereafter judge those propositions by evidence. One may bask at the warm fires of faith or choose to live in the bleak uncertainty of reason, but one cannot have both.

Robert A Heinlein (As Hartley M Baldwin, in Friday)

Lutefisk. It was lutefisk.

At least in the Lutheran church I attended.

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Silverfish? Eww...

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"I remember the first time I got laid. There was nothing but darkness at
first. Then movement, coming in fits and starts. Then I felt a weird
urge, and used my sharp beak to break free of that damnable prison."
—— Karim Rashad, in rec.martial-arts

they wriggle delightfully as you eat them.

And forever afterward. In fact, they crawl right back up your throat.

But... but... lutefisk is revolting.

Okay, I was afraid for awhile of expressing this, but I'll go ahead and shoot.

My reason to believe Jesus was Celibate... and keep in mind, this is within a Slightly Right of Center Christian Framework...

To me, marriage implies a special bond between a man and a woman. A special bond that they have only with each other, one of deep love and perfection.

Also note at this point that I am working within a naively idealistic and almost platonic framework. Gerald, the Platonic Positivist.

Now, I have a difficulty enough as it theologically with the ideas that Jesus loved John, Lazarus, Mary, and Martha in way it gets mentioned uniquely.

The idea that Jesus (who, within my framework, is God) would have a stronger bond of love for a specific person, to the extent of a husband-wife relationship, is not exactly palatable. Especially since I view Him as a God who loves everyone enough to go through an unpleasent Death and seperation from Himself to save mankind.

Not the best reason, I know, it's basically not so much based on facts or strong arguments but more towards, "I just don't like the idea," but hey, just my thoughts on the matter.

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Of course he wasn't. We all know he got nailed at least once.

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Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, grab es tief unten im Keller ein.
Später dann graben es andere aus, und nennen dein Haus das Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, leg auch ihre weißen Schädel hinein.
Mit Beton gießt du es aus, das Fundament vom Knochenhaus.
Scharr, scharr, verscharr das Gebein, da ist noch Platz, da paßt noch wer rein.
Hier tobte sich der Teufel aus, unten im Keller im Knochenhaus.

Heh, we're not going to get offended by your opinion Gerald. (Hell some of us start threads to be offensive!) I don't really disagree with you either.

It's not offended.

It's just that I know (or at least thinki) it's not that sound of an argument .

But thanks

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Master of Evil

And some of us ask others to "say something offensive", hum?

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"The problem with History is that it can't have a happy ending." -Ouri Maler.

Yes, indeed!

Summon the palace guards! The Lutefisk is revolting!!


-=-Barnabas

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Cap'n Santa sez: "Lost a limb to the superflu? Can't afford fancy space-pirate robotic attachments? Come on down to Cap'n Truman's Discount Pirate Prosthetics Warehouse! We've got a special deal for you, so those hooks and pegs you've been eyeing WON'T cost you an arm and a leg!"

Perhaps. But I don't see why it's not possible for Jesus to have a deep and special love for every person... and an even more deep and special love for one particular person.

Still, I'd think that if JHC did have a special someone, it would've been mentioned in at least one or two of the accounts of his life. Anybody here familiar with the Forbidden Gospels? What do they have to say, if anything, on the subject?


-=-Barnabas

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Cap'n Santa sez: "Lost a limb to the superflu? Can't afford fancy space-pirate robotic attachments? Come on down to Cap'n Truman's Discount Pirate Prosthetics Warehouse! We've got a special deal for you, so those hooks and pegs you've been eyeing WON'T cost you an arm and a leg!"

They're pretty much where the whole idea comes from, actually.

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"I remember the first time I got laid. There was nothing but darkness at
first. Then movement, coming in fits and starts. Then I felt a weird
urge, and used my sharp beak to break free of that damnable prison."
—— Karim Rashad, in rec.martial-arts